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Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM
Your premise ignores the issue of "tyranny of the masses".

To be axiomic, that which expands rights under the law is just: that which does not, is injust.
Bullshit. I don't believe that. Prove the "axiomic" principle you are stating. How is your asserting this position any different from the people who think it axiomatic that homosexual is wrong and always will be? That is their belief and your belief in the expansion of rights is not superior just because it is YOU who believes it.

Within the legal strictures and priviledges of marriage, what does it matter whether or not the two people are the same sex or not?
Because it is for different sexes. Otherwise, why not call men women and women men?

Our legal and cultural foundations may by inspired by Christian values, but we're not a theocracy.

So what? I guess we should go back to all those same-sex marriages of the pagan countries, like ancient Rome and Greece and Egypt...oh, wait. Marriage has been around a lot longer than Christianity. It was simply another institution Christianity coopted for its own reasons. Our view of marriage has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with a millenia-old tradition of a single characteristic in its practice. Even societies in our traditions that did not have an issue with same-sex relations did not have same-sex marriage.

Same-sex marriages couldn't possibly do more to "defile the sanctity of marriage" than how marriage is treated in this country by opposite-sex marriagess (50% divorce rate, anyone?).
By this line of thought, it is impossible to rape a slut. Stealing from a poor person is acceptable, because it's no big loss. Beating up on someone who is already badly injured is cool, because they were already disabled.

Not to mention that throughout history marriage has predominantly been for economic bonds, political pacts, financial gain (which is still so common that we colloquially refer to it as "gold-digging" ), etc... hardly building a tradition of sanctity you claim to be supporting.
I don't. Idiot. I am opposed to same-sex marriage, because it is a ridiculous affectation and a crusade for a special privilege by a group that already has equality, and is making outrageous demands that people twist their practices to conform to this small group's bizarre and outrageous desires.

In fact, all that anti-marriage stuff you cite is EXACTLY why I am opposed to same-sex marriage - there are economic and legal issues that affect people who have nothing to do with the marriages themselves, and same sex marriages will force others to conform to these positions even if they do not believe in it. If it were a simple stupid romantic commitment, I would not give a damn what they got up to or chose to call themselves. It is their attempts to horn in on those societal positions that I take issue with.
Cannoli
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1920 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 322 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 367 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 739 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 1001 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 829 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 836 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 849 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 963 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 923 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 927 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 839 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 897 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 779 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 844 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 769 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 784 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 835 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 733 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 702 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 808 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 739 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 792 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 729 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 810 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 841 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 952 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 829 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 804 Views
Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM 850 Views
Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM 825 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 860 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 862 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 781 Views
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As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 763 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 829 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 796 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 795 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 681 Views
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Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 730 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 788 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 784 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 789 Views
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Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 786 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 788 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 873 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 754 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 910 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 900 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 820 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 888 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 723 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 687 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 750 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 734 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 676 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 790 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 734 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 696 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 749 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 948 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 862 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 342 Views
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You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 313 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 728 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 796 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 676 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 832 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 735 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 854 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 495 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 674 Views
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