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Re: No, it should not Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM
You raised some other good points there, with which I basically agree, and yes I'm strictly talking about the clothes, I have absolutely no prob with her raising a fuss about the gay aspect, which is not to say I have a prob with the schoolboard fighting it either, just that I view that as a legitimate battle either way and I do not view the dress code as one and I don't think it should be involved, but it happens to basically be the entire premise of the legal suit. I don't blame her for doing this, I would say I respect her for it, except I don't, because I'm assuming she's not old enough and mature enough to fully appreciate the consequences that she might face. If she really did go into this with eyes wide open then she has my sincerest respect regardless of whether I agree with her cause, but she's young, so probably not, and for the same reason, the disruption she's causing is not something I blame her for because I think she was too young to realize the consequences. That same youth excuses her from the moral ambiguity involved with how most of the consequences are happening to other children. So even if I viewed this as petty, I wouldn't be angry at her over it.


I don't disagree about the concept of a symbolic victory. I thought about that as well. But honestly, if you read what you just wrote (and I usually HATE when people throw in this type of comment, but...), doesn't that feel a little "if you sit in the back of the bus, we'll let you ride" to you?


Oh, I thought about it myself when writing it, however, these days people protest with little consequence and many who protest are so within their shell of zeal that they don't even acknowledge the collateral damage caused by it. If a firefight breaks out between the good guys and the bad guys, and a bunch of innocent bystanders get caught in the middle, it's a bit hard to just say "Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." and move on. That's not to say you shouldn't have done it, but acknowledging your part in their suffering is - to me - a pretty big factor in deciding who the good guys and the bad guys are. And sometimes it is better to fall back and try another day when less collateral damage is going to result, sometimes not, you have to make a decision and deal with the consequences, you can't ignore them.

Sometimes - and I am not saying this was one of those times - you've got to say 'yeah, I'm right and they're wrong, but pursuing this isn't right'. So between Rosa Parks and PETA-extremists bashing in some lab guards head to free the lab rats who then run free while infected with a disease and bit locals, there is a big swath of grey. I hardly think she's anywhere near the latter, but I don't think she's Rosa Parks either.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1680 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 272 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 305 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 633 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 875 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 703 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 712 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 718 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 832 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 780 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 793 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 717 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 768 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 655 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 716 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 642 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 650 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 706 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 600 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 583 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 687 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 614 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 660 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 614 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 682 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 718 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 823 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 701 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 689 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 737 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 733 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 662 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 680 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 639 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 633 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 693 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 664 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 663 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 558 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 706 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 599 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 653 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 665 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 646 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 685 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 710 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 686 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 659 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 655 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 731 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 620 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 777 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 773 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 703 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 760 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 587 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 559 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 625 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 605 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 562 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 661 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 600 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 564 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 622 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 827 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 728 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 281 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 663 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 541 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 696 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 937 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 626 Views
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Re: It does - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 673 Views
You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 262 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 591 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 622 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 547 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 704 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 611 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 721 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 435 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 550 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 661 Views

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