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Re: No, it should not Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM
You raised some other good points there, with which I basically agree, and yes I'm strictly talking about the clothes, I have absolutely no prob with her raising a fuss about the gay aspect, which is not to say I have a prob with the schoolboard fighting it either, just that I view that as a legitimate battle either way and I do not view the dress code as one and I don't think it should be involved, but it happens to basically be the entire premise of the legal suit. I don't blame her for doing this, I would say I respect her for it, except I don't, because I'm assuming she's not old enough and mature enough to fully appreciate the consequences that she might face. If she really did go into this with eyes wide open then she has my sincerest respect regardless of whether I agree with her cause, but she's young, so probably not, and for the same reason, the disruption she's causing is not something I blame her for because I think she was too young to realize the consequences. That same youth excuses her from the moral ambiguity involved with how most of the consequences are happening to other children. So even if I viewed this as petty, I wouldn't be angry at her over it.


I don't disagree about the concept of a symbolic victory. I thought about that as well. But honestly, if you read what you just wrote (and I usually HATE when people throw in this type of comment, but...), doesn't that feel a little "if you sit in the back of the bus, we'll let you ride" to you?


Oh, I thought about it myself when writing it, however, these days people protest with little consequence and many who protest are so within their shell of zeal that they don't even acknowledge the collateral damage caused by it. If a firefight breaks out between the good guys and the bad guys, and a bunch of innocent bystanders get caught in the middle, it's a bit hard to just say "Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." and move on. That's not to say you shouldn't have done it, but acknowledging your part in their suffering is - to me - a pretty big factor in deciding who the good guys and the bad guys are. And sometimes it is better to fall back and try another day when less collateral damage is going to result, sometimes not, you have to make a decision and deal with the consequences, you can't ignore them.

Sometimes - and I am not saying this was one of those times - you've got to say 'yeah, I'm right and they're wrong, but pursuing this isn't right'. So between Rosa Parks and PETA-extremists bashing in some lab guards head to free the lab rats who then run free while infected with a disease and bit locals, there is a big swath of grey. I hardly think she's anywhere near the latter, but I don't think she's Rosa Parks either.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1921 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 322 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 367 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 740 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 1003 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 831 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 838 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 850 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 965 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 925 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 928 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 840 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 898 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 780 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 845 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 770 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 785 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 836 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 735 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 704 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 809 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 740 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 793 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 731 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 811 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 842 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 953 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 831 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 805 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 862 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 863 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 782 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 810 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 771 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 764 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 830 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 797 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 795 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 682 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 838 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 731 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 789 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 786 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 790 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 837 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 850 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 815 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 787 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 789 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 875 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 755 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 911 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 901 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 822 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 889 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 724 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 688 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 751 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 736 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 676 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 791 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 735 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 697 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 751 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 950 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 864 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 342 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 787 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 675 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 824 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 1065 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 778 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 691 Views
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Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 789 Views
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You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 313 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 729 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 797 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 677 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 834 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 736 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 855 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 495 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 675 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 789 Views

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