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Re: No, it should not Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM
You raised some other good points there, with which I basically agree, and yes I'm strictly talking about the clothes, I have absolutely no prob with her raising a fuss about the gay aspect, which is not to say I have a prob with the schoolboard fighting it either, just that I view that as a legitimate battle either way and I do not view the dress code as one and I don't think it should be involved, but it happens to basically be the entire premise of the legal suit. I don't blame her for doing this, I would say I respect her for it, except I don't, because I'm assuming she's not old enough and mature enough to fully appreciate the consequences that she might face. If she really did go into this with eyes wide open then she has my sincerest respect regardless of whether I agree with her cause, but she's young, so probably not, and for the same reason, the disruption she's causing is not something I blame her for because I think she was too young to realize the consequences. That same youth excuses her from the moral ambiguity involved with how most of the consequences are happening to other children. So even if I viewed this as petty, I wouldn't be angry at her over it.


I don't disagree about the concept of a symbolic victory. I thought about that as well. But honestly, if you read what you just wrote (and I usually HATE when people throw in this type of comment, but...), doesn't that feel a little "if you sit in the back of the bus, we'll let you ride" to you?


Oh, I thought about it myself when writing it, however, these days people protest with little consequence and many who protest are so within their shell of zeal that they don't even acknowledge the collateral damage caused by it. If a firefight breaks out between the good guys and the bad guys, and a bunch of innocent bystanders get caught in the middle, it's a bit hard to just say "Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." and move on. That's not to say you shouldn't have done it, but acknowledging your part in their suffering is - to me - a pretty big factor in deciding who the good guys and the bad guys are. And sometimes it is better to fall back and try another day when less collateral damage is going to result, sometimes not, you have to make a decision and deal with the consequences, you can't ignore them.

Sometimes - and I am not saying this was one of those times - you've got to say 'yeah, I'm right and they're wrong, but pursuing this isn't right'. So between Rosa Parks and PETA-extremists bashing in some lab guards head to free the lab rats who then run free while infected with a disease and bit locals, there is a big swath of grey. I hardly think she's anywhere near the latter, but I don't think she's Rosa Parks either.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1866 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 299 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 341 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 697 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 946 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 780 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 783 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 795 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 901 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 863 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 871 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 788 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 850 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 724 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 791 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 719 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 732 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 782 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 681 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 656 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 758 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 690 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 739 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 683 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 758 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 796 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 897 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 775 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 760 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 807 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 804 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 724 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 754 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 711 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 710 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 774 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 752 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 742 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 629 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 787 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 672 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 732 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 742 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 731 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 772 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 792 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 761 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 729 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 732 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 808 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 695 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 852 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 849 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 772 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 831 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 664 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 634 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 699 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 684 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 630 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 736 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 678 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 644 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 699 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 901 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 810 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 318 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 738 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 617 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 767 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 1013 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 721 Views
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You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 287 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 665 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 739 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 624 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 776 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 681 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 796 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 470 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 622 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 739 Views

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