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Re: No, it should not Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM
You raised some other good points there, with which I basically agree, and yes I'm strictly talking about the clothes, I have absolutely no prob with her raising a fuss about the gay aspect, which is not to say I have a prob with the schoolboard fighting it either, just that I view that as a legitimate battle either way and I do not view the dress code as one and I don't think it should be involved, but it happens to basically be the entire premise of the legal suit. I don't blame her for doing this, I would say I respect her for it, except I don't, because I'm assuming she's not old enough and mature enough to fully appreciate the consequences that she might face. If she really did go into this with eyes wide open then she has my sincerest respect regardless of whether I agree with her cause, but she's young, so probably not, and for the same reason, the disruption she's causing is not something I blame her for because I think she was too young to realize the consequences. That same youth excuses her from the moral ambiguity involved with how most of the consequences are happening to other children. So even if I viewed this as petty, I wouldn't be angry at her over it.


I don't disagree about the concept of a symbolic victory. I thought about that as well. But honestly, if you read what you just wrote (and I usually HATE when people throw in this type of comment, but...), doesn't that feel a little "if you sit in the back of the bus, we'll let you ride" to you?


Oh, I thought about it myself when writing it, however, these days people protest with little consequence and many who protest are so within their shell of zeal that they don't even acknowledge the collateral damage caused by it. If a firefight breaks out between the good guys and the bad guys, and a bunch of innocent bystanders get caught in the middle, it's a bit hard to just say "Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." and move on. That's not to say you shouldn't have done it, but acknowledging your part in their suffering is - to me - a pretty big factor in deciding who the good guys and the bad guys are. And sometimes it is better to fall back and try another day when less collateral damage is going to result, sometimes not, you have to make a decision and deal with the consequences, you can't ignore them.

Sometimes - and I am not saying this was one of those times - you've got to say 'yeah, I'm right and they're wrong, but pursuing this isn't right'. So between Rosa Parks and PETA-extremists bashing in some lab guards head to free the lab rats who then run free while infected with a disease and bit locals, there is a big swath of grey. I hardly think she's anywhere near the latter, but I don't think she's Rosa Parks either.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1722 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 277 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 311 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 645 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 890 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 721 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 724 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 735 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 845 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 795 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 809 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 732 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 783 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 668 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 731 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 656 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 665 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 721 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 614 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 597 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 702 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 628 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 674 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 630 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 698 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 733 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 837 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 714 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 704 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 746 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 746 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 671 Views
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Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 654 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 650 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 707 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 680 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 675 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 574 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 722 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 615 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 668 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 681 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 661 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 697 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 722 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 701 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 674 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 670 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 745 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 635 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 793 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 790 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 715 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 777 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 600 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 575 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 639 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 620 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 577 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 678 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 615 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 579 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 636 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 839 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 744 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 289 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 679 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 556 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 710 Views
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You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 266 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 606 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 660 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 558 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 718 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 624 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 733 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 441 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 562 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 677 Views

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