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Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM
Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta.

She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita.

If I want to read poetry, I read a poem.
If I want to enjoy clever lyrics, I listen to a song.
If I want to read deliriums of a madman whose mind is gone, I read the Necronomicon.
A good, normal "book" is none of the three above, but that excerpt looks like it is.
Fail for me.
Don't care how much he can be respected, famous, liked... to me it's still a fail.
(unless it is actually part of the Necronomicon or something like that, but I kinda doubt it)
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Io iudico bene questo: che sia meglio essere impetuoso che respettivo, perché la fortuna è donna ed è necessario, volendola tenere sotto, batterla e urtarla.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3461 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1891 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1567 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1383 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1465 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1263 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 940 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1886 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1583 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1045 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1341 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1588 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1443 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1941 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1630 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1763 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1424 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1591 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1450 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1460 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1499 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 892 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2377 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1539 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1529 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1779 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1553 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1508 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1584 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 901 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1403 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1804 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1710 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 839 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1676 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 913 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 921 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1335 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1495 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1449 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1393 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1700 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1317 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1343 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1621 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1501 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1453 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1425 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1558 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1426 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 922 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1493 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1356 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1359 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1317 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1360 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1330 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1415 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1477 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1411 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 908 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1313 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1206 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1418 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1508 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1397 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1544 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1428 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1460 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1526 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1416 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 845 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1254 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 829 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1324 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 862 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1425 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1559 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1905 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1299 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1302 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1291 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 764 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 792 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 911 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1396 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1454 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1354 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1596 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1312 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1505 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1333 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1336 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1454 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 813 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1270 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1444 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1494 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1323 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1317 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1600 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1510 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1502 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1362 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1208 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1460 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1259 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1502 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1639 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1446 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1595 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1538 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1539 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1662 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1426 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 937 Views
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