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Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM
Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta.

She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita.

If I want to read poetry, I read a poem.
If I want to enjoy clever lyrics, I listen to a song.
If I want to read deliriums of a madman whose mind is gone, I read the Necronomicon.
A good, normal "book" is none of the three above, but that excerpt looks like it is.
Fail for me.
Don't care how much he can be respected, famous, liked... to me it's still a fail.
(unless it is actually part of the Necronomicon or something like that, but I kinda doubt it)
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Io iudico bene questo: che sia meglio essere impetuoso che respettivo, perché la fortuna è donna ed è necessario, volendola tenere sotto, batterla e urtarla.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3493 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1923 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1592 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1411 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1496 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1283 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 960 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1912 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1605 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1069 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1384 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1639 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1470 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1984 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1668 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1809 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1448 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1617 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1479 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1492 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1525 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 902 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2441 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1581 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1554 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1809 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1585 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1532 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1650 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 921 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1435 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1852 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1748 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 863 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1702 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 933 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 941 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1357 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1519 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1464 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1444 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1737 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1353 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1373 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1648 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1523 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1486 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1454 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1587 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1453 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 948 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1513 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1409 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1383 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1365 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1401 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1366 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1436 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1505 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1445 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 914 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1339 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1245 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1478 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1544 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1420 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1612 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1456 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1493 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1583 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1453 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 870 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1296 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 841 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1366 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 872 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1486 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1593 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1933 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1335 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1332 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1324 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 787 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 811 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 932 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1420 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1495 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1380 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1643 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1346 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1525 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1375 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1376 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1485 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 840 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1295 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1491 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1542 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1351 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1345 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1649 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1565 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1556 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1419 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1227 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1502 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1286 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1554 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1672 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1491 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1614 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1569 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1570 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1688 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1463 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 954 Views
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