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Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM
And there's nothing wrong with that. But there's more to life than just mindless entertainment. From time to time it is necessary to push one's limits.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3462 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1891 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1567 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1384 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1466 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1263 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 940 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1887 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1584 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1045 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1341 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1588 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1443 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1941 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1631 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1764 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1424 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1592 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1450 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1460 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1499 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 892 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2377 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1539 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1529 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1779 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1554 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1509 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1584 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 902 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1404 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1804 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1710 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 840 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1676 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 914 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 922 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1335 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1495 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1450 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1394 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1701 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1317 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1343 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1622 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1502 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1454 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1425 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1559 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1427 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 923 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1493 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1356 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1359 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1317 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1361 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1330 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1415 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1478 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1411 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 909 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1314 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1207 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1419 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1509 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1398 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1545 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1428 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1460 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1527 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1417 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 846 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1254 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 829 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1325 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 863 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1426 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1560 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1906 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1300 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1303 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1291 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 765 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 793 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 912 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1396 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1454 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1355 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1596 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1313 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1506 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1334 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1337 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1454 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 814 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1271 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1445 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1495 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1324 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1317 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1600 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1510 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1503 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1362 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1208 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1461 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1259 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1503 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1639 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1447 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1596 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1539 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1540 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1662 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1426 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 937 Views
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