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I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM
Let me start by just saying that I am not so wowed that I simply need to read this story:
Super-advanced, super-civilized and peaceful people who use magic found a way to contact what is basically, a hyper-powerful Satan, and the result was that the world went from utter peace to massacres and anarchy. Everyone nearly died trying to stop it, but they didn't put the world back in order and Evil was still a powerfully-influential force. Nearly 3000 years later, this 17-century European-like continent has women who control all the magic in the world. Men who have magic are dangerous and feared and bad, but Good relies on the reborn spirit of the most famous man ever who won a Pyhrric victory in stopping Evil the first time is the only guy who can stop it this time. But he doesn't know anything about this! And the legions of Evil are everywhere and powerful! And even the other good guys are scared of him or want to control him in a way that may not be for the best! And he's just an ignorant youngster with no education but a lot of heart!

I don't care if it's a movie series, a "quality" syfy show (hahaha!), or a novel: I don't find that plot - even throwing in cool things like Lanfear, Ishy, gholam, sangreal, or Mat, or other juicy "cool stuff" - to be so interesting that I have to try it. Or have to keep enjoying it.

It's the way the story was told that made it so addictive. The more I think about it, the more I feel that the beast got away from RJ after LoC. Because I have read lots of literature, and a bit of trash too, but I found TEotW, TGH, TDR, and TSR, to be completely engrossing.

I think I found LoC the same way, but I can't quite remember and I should reread before I opine. I'm sure that ACoS onward sees the series take a dip in many ways. It's more like the 6th series of a tv show - it's extremely rare that it makes successful efforts and good experiments; or doesn't lapse into been-there-before in a way that either (a) indicates they didn't pull off what they were going for or (b) have run out of ideas.

Although RJ had clearly not run out of ideas - even up to the end (dammit) - his execution was not so strong as the series went on. Things he tried for didn't work, some choices could have been handled differently (impliedly also: for the better), and the level of "drag" or repetition really does mount to the degree of "kinda unacceptable."

I'll address the rest in part 2
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3404 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1810 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1437 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1299 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1383 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1174 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 879 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1799 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1496 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1458 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1832 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1532 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1655 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1349 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1383 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 858 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2252 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1436 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1445 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1672 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1590 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 786 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1593 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1273 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1414 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1373 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1263 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1624 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1241 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1260 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1535 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1378 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1362 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1488 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1334 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 856 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1418 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1228 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1297 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1213 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1275 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1230 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1353 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1402 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1315 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 861 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1244 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1112 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1289 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1398 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1338 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1399 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1344 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1392 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1419 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1322 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 788 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1146 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 790 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1219 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 837 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1301 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1451 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 710 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 738 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 844 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1292 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1344 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1278 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1458 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1235 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1435 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1239 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1246 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1338 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 758 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1189 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1325 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1389 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1257 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1222 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1487 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1376 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1403 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1215 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1141 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1345 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1191 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1393 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1534 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1354 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1515 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1443 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1445 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1580 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 870 Views

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