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It is not a serious question. Tom Send a noteboard - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM
If you want to seriously discuss what makes something aesthetically pleasing, list something that is considered "serious literature" that you've read so we can compare that author's style with Jordan's. If you haven't read Lolita then Lolita isn't a good example because I'm not going to re-type massive sections of the novel in an attempt to convince you, especially when you don't seem to seriously want to discuss this.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3404 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1810 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1437 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1299 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1383 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1175 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 879 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1799 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1497 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 981 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1251 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1458 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1370 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1833 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1532 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1655 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1349 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1476 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1375 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1388 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1383 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 858 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2252 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1437 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1446 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1721 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1484 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1432 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1483 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 838 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1304 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1673 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1591 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 786 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1593 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 857 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 846 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1273 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1414 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1374 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1263 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1624 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1242 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1261 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1535 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1407 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1378 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1363 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1488 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1334 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 856 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1418 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1228 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1297 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1213 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1276 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1230 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1353 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1402 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1315 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 861 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1245 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1113 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1290 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1398 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1338 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1399 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1344 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1392 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1420 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1322 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 789 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1146 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 790 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1219 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 837 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1301 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1451 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1825 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1206 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1207 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1232 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 710 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 738 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 845 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1292 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1344 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1278 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1458 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1235 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1435 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1239 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1246 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1338 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 758 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1190 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1325 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1389 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1257 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1222 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1488 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1377 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1403 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1216 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1142 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1345 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1191 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1393 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1535 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1354 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1515 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1444 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1446 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1580 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1320 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 870 Views
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