Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity.
Tom Send a noteboard - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM
Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta.
She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita.
Without needing to spell things out in black and white, Nabokov has told us almost everything we need to know coming into the story. The author is obsessed with a girl - so obsessed that even the sound of her name fascinates him. We know she's young because of the height and the "at school" description. We know she's with him because of the "in the morning...in one sock" and "in my arms" comments.
The sense of urgency is clear because the first two bits are sentence fragments conveying intense desire and emotion. This is followed by a long sentence, obsessive in quality, that describes very well the way the name is said. "A trip of three steps down the palate" is not usually how people describe pronunciation. That's very clever imagery.
The different nicknames show different sides of the same girl - in the morning, after his lust had been sated, he calls her "Lo" in a casual, familiar way, but without the same burning desire. "...standing four feet ten in one sock" is a great descriptive phrase - it doesn't go on and on but it gives you enough information to make a vivid mental image nonetheless.
Once she's dressed in the morning, she's "Lola" - a sense of formality has descended. Her friends called her Dolly but not the author. He notes she was officially "Dolores", in case anyone thought her name was something else, but not by saying "Her real name was Dolores", which would be a bit crude, but by saying "She was Dolores on the dotted line". Again, it's a compact sentence but it conveys the image of her signing something, it's a bit more vivid and fresh than a simple affirmation and it is unambiguous.
Finally, we are brought back to the initial sentence fragments and reminded that this girl is in a relationship that by most measures is completely inappropriate for a girl "four feet ten" and "in school". She is Lolita in the heat of passion.
Note that here, as elsewhere, the author does not provide any pornographic descriptions. We know what is happening without needing to know details - "in my arms" is a good way to be clear enough without the details.
That's my explanation of the exact words that I cut from Lolita. The words are carefully chosen and well used, the sentences flow and the imagery is vivid. We have learned volumes with a few carefully-chosen sentences.
She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita.
Without needing to spell things out in black and white, Nabokov has told us almost everything we need to know coming into the story. The author is obsessed with a girl - so obsessed that even the sound of her name fascinates him. We know she's young because of the height and the "at school" description. We know she's with him because of the "in the morning...in one sock" and "in my arms" comments.
The sense of urgency is clear because the first two bits are sentence fragments conveying intense desire and emotion. This is followed by a long sentence, obsessive in quality, that describes very well the way the name is said. "A trip of three steps down the palate" is not usually how people describe pronunciation. That's very clever imagery.
The different nicknames show different sides of the same girl - in the morning, after his lust had been sated, he calls her "Lo" in a casual, familiar way, but without the same burning desire. "...standing four feet ten in one sock" is a great descriptive phrase - it doesn't go on and on but it gives you enough information to make a vivid mental image nonetheless.
Once she's dressed in the morning, she's "Lola" - a sense of formality has descended. Her friends called her Dolly but not the author. He notes she was officially "Dolores", in case anyone thought her name was something else, but not by saying "Her real name was Dolores", which would be a bit crude, but by saying "She was Dolores on the dotted line". Again, it's a compact sentence but it conveys the image of her signing something, it's a bit more vivid and fresh than a simple affirmation and it is unambiguous.
Finally, we are brought back to the initial sentence fragments and reminded that this girl is in a relationship that by most measures is completely inappropriate for a girl "four feet ten" and "in school". She is Lolita in the heat of passion.
Note that here, as elsewhere, the author does not provide any pornographic descriptions. We know what is happening without needing to know details - "in my arms" is a good way to be clear enough without the details.
That's my explanation of the exact words that I cut from Lolita. The words are carefully chosen and well used, the sentences flow and the imagery is vivid. We have learned volumes with a few carefully-chosen sentences.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer?
- 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM
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I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer.
- 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM
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Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured
- 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM
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What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors?
- 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM
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Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors?
- 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM
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For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence.
- 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM
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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM*
- 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM
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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence.
- 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM
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That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen.
- 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM
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I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to.
- 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
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- 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
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Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to.
- 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM
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- 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM
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That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler.
- 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM
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Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a
- 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ...
- 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM
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Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer?
- 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM
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I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited.
- 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM
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That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks
- 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM
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Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks
- 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM
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adam roberts reviews
- 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM
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And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM*
- 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM
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Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking
- 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM
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I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak.
- 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM
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Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak.
- 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM
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The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know.
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- 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM
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- 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM
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There are nine, actually...
- 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM
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Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM*
- 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM
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Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM*
- 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM
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I hope I am misunderstanding you.
- 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM
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Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you.
- 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM
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If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book
- 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM
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Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book
- 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM
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So wait, style is good?
- 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM
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That depends...
- 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM
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I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria.
- 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM
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the "do you like it" is the most important criterion
- 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM
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If you don't mind me asking...
- 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM
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I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature.
- 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM
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Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature.
- 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM
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I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service.
- 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM
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Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service.
- 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM
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...
- 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM
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It is not a serious question.
- 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM
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Is that so?
- 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM
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I'm not fixated with Jordan.
- 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM
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Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him?
- 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM
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You're conflating two things.
- 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM
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All right, now we're getting somewhere.
- 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM
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Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity.
- 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM
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Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM*
- 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM
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No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered.
- 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM
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Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
- 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM
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Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
- 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM
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I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you.
- 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM
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Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic"
- 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM
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Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
- 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM
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Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly
- 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM
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Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics?
- 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM
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Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics?
- 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM
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Of course people read for pleasure.
- 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM
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Ok...
- 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM
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"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument.
- 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM
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I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"?
- 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM
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Among living writers?
- 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM
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My list would be similar...
- 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM
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That was a very good list.
- 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM
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Re: That was a very good list.
- 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM
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Oh, and another question
- 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM
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Re: Oh, and another question
- 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM
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I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM
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He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM*
- 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM
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