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Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 Send a noteboard - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM
Translation is a very good point and one I'd neglected. You're right: I'm essentially judging these authors on characterisation, ideas and structure, rather than language, which may well boost Solzhenitsyn and (depending on the translation) depress the others.

The main thing I dislike about many Russian authors I've read is that the philosophical/moral questions they explore are fairly abstract and idealised. Their characters often seem similarly stylised. This definitely applies to Dostoevsky and to an extent Chekov; even Tolstoy, though his settings and characters are more earthy, his big idea about the impact of individuals on history is quite abstract. I'm not saying these aren't important or that many people don't get a lot from them, but personally I don't (at least not to the extent of appreciating a 500+page novel built around them). CP Snow's exploration of melancholia in The Light and The Dark, or his exploration of the shades of grey in moral choices in The Affair or The New Men I find much more compelling.

In Solzhenitsyn, on the other hand, I find the characters much more compelling - for many, one can see oneself (or others you've met) acting in such a way, if placed in such a circumstance. It probably helps that I find the topic he's covering intrinsically interesting (and one challenging to write about well). In The First Circle, I particularly admire his structure - in many ways the novel reminds me of Catch-22 - in which he gradually builds the realisation that all characters are equally trapped and yet have certain freedoms, with the final closing of the trap at the end sealing things off.

Anyway, not trying to say one is better than the other, but hopefully explaining my opinion. Thank you also for the other recommendations - I've had a quick look on Amazon and will definitely check them out.

You're entitled to your opinion, certainly, but that is one of the oddest things I've heard in a long time. Russians usually don't like Solzhenitsyn because of his style, which is heavy and often bad (to my mind). I have found that TV miniseries of his books that follow dialogue exactly have been the best format for taking in his ideas, which are often very interesting, because they strip away the style that I don't like.

Don't forget that, for foreign books, a translation can make or break a book. My opinion is that translation is a necessary evil at best, and so if I can avoid translations, I will. I recently read (and reviewed on the Books board) Madame Bovary and Siddhartha in their original languages, two books which suffer from accusations of bad translations, and with Bovary at least I could see why it might be difficult to translate without losing a lot.

If you're going to read a book, go on amazon and root around the comments about the different translations for at least five minutes and you'll see which translations work the best.

Having said that, have you read Lermontov's Hero of Our Time? Based on your choices, I think you would like it. Turgenev's Fathers and Sons (recently discussed on the Books board) is another good one to try. I do not think you will enjoy Dostoevsky. Pushkin's Eugene Onegin is a book that I would recommend due to its content - it's very good - but it's a story in poem form and poetry is extremely hard to translate. Pushkin's Captain's Daughter is a good prose work. In all cases that I've recommended, the most background you'd need would be about one or two quick wikipedia article reads.
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Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1388 Views
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You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1354 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1515 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1443 Views
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Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1579 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 870 Views

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