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Can Fain do that? Sidious Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM

Fain put seeds of destruction into many people's minds, but Elaida has always been stupid and evil.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* Sidious - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 8234 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2733 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1496 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2573 Views
I adored it. *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1349 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1393 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. Yvves - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 2229 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 2147 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... RandAllThor - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 2055 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2710 Views
Chapter summary Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2819 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1261 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1527 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1326 Views
+1 Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 2249 Views
I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 2385 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2289 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 2347 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 1337 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. Rurouni_Kenshin - 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM 2380 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 2139 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 2386 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2406 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2414 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2379 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2302 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2260 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2475 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2384 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2286 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2253 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2338 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2320 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2263 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2317 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2430 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2420 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2263 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1390 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2313 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2188 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2197 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2190 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2189 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2010 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2411 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2094 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2167 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2251 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2949 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2344 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2327 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2432 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1659 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2271 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2239 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2136 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1303 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2320 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2080 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1956 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2317 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2334 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2416 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2275 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2378 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2409 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 2067 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2147 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2112 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 2269 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2272 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2045 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2274 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2364 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1258 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2248 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2424 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2006 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2377 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2135 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2244 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1762 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2184 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2222 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2232 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2152 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2416 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1480 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2303 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2458 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2259 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2138 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2338 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2134 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2308 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2229 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2501 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2438 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2291 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2063 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2220 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2187 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1227 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2391 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2294 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2206 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2274 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1298 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2112 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 2102 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2227 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2208 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2278 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2301 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2202 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2035 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2133 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2126 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2320 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2073 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2141 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2228 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2254 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2193 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2088 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2221 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2232 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2090 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1318 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2014 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2117 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2176 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2171 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2162 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2051 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2112 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2165 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2455 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2283 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2087 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1276 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2125 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2199 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1260 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2263 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2194 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 2193 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2348 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2328 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 2140 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2162 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1313 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1355 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2043 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 2295 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2200 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2175 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2190 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2190 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2335 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2209 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2041 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2157 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2267 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2266 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1921 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2365 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2234 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2039 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2167 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2180 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2235 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2239 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2073 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2133 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2226 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1283 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2152 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2089 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2161 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2404 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2141 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2126 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2122 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1254 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2040 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2192 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1979 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2200 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1976 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2098 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 2207 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2158 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2178 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2182 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2036 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2165 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2172 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2191 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2129 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2132 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2448 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1232 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2307 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1923 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2192 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2052 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2022 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1214 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2344 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2255 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2379 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2151 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1377 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2197 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2278 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1294 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2032 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1983 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1984 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2185 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2137 Views
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