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Ambitious people are like that redhand Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM
I mean, she'd hardly even heard of the Tower before Moiraine arrived in the Two Rivers.

Then, she spent an incredibly short time as novice in the Tower, before going off on some hare-brained mission to catch Black Ajah.

At what point did she become this Crusader for the preservation of the White Tower? The pride and sentimental value she attaches to the White Tower is equivalent to that which Elayne attaches to the Lion Throne. In Elayne's case it makes sense, because the Throne of Andor lies at the heart of her ancestral heritage.

But the strong feelings Egwene has for the Tower don't make sense, from a characterisation point of view.

As a comparison, neither Moiraine nor Cadsuane, two "arch-Aes Sedai" who have been Aes Sedai far longer than Egwene, seem likely to have such strong feelings in this regard.

It's almost like Egwene was Compelled to see the battle for the Tower as the most important thing in the whole wide world. Which makes me wonder just what the role of Arangar's "headache treatments" might have been in this regard.


It is just like any ambitious young boy in a small village wishes to be the mightiest knight or the greatest general in history. That is their life time goal.

For Egwene, that is her life time's goal. Her family, her lover, or even her children, if she will have any, are nothing compared to her ambition. Have we not seen enough of people like that in our world?

For Moiraine or Cadsuane, they have a balance of the tower and some other goal.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7613 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2331 Views
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Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2187 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1127 Views
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EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1834 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1773 Views
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Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2417 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1045 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1210 Views
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+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1868 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1955 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1914 Views
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2012 Views
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What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1858 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1938 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1883 Views
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This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1957 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2022 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2022 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1879 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1876 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1778 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1793 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1813 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1809 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1615 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1965 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1707 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1773 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1851 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2568 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1969 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1906 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2053 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1429 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1935 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1862 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1761 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1092 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1934 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1709 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1843 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1902 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1955 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2035 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1885 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1954 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2020 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1685 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1784 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1747 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1877 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1660 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1876 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1965 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1040 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1845 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2032 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1641 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1994 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1741 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1874 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1642 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1802 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1824 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1854 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1767 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2031 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1260 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1916 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2090 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1878 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1772 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1950 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1732 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1899 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1857 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2111 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2048 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1935 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1690 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1843 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1797 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1017 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1974 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1919 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1835 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1900 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1098 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1748 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1695 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1840 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1831 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1892 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1906 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1842 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1626 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1725 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1711 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1933 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1701 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1769 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1835 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1846 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1812 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1692 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1818 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1852 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1710 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1115 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1616 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1755 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1796 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1775 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1743 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1658 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1739 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1818 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2065 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1902 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1733 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1062 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1755 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1780 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1053 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1872 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1795 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1969 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1928 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1764 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1099 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1138 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1683 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1816 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1796 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1815 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1819 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1950 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1852 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1656 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1764 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1894 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1887 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1551 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1990 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1836 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1645 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1784 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1777 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1832 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1854 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1690 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1749 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1851 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1074 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1759 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1712 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1754 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2030 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1772 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1720 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1737 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1055 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1658 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1765 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1582 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1837 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1587 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1741 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1772 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1815 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1821 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1643 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1772 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1767 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1822 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1731 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1751 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2097 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1019 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1917 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1555 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1794 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1681 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1642 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1029 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1935 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1875 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1978 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1780 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1163 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1838 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1880 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1090 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1666 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1620 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1878 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1780 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1752 Views

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