Happened quite a lot, e.g. compared to Rand's first chapter.
Egwene wins more and more sympathy by the AS (e.g. Silviana or Meidani and probably Barasine, who all don't seem to be BA by their reactions) due to her not yielding to Elaida, "embracing the pain" almost like an Aiel and not become broken. Meanwhile Elaida becomes more and more a crazy dictator and basically digs her own grave, even suggesting a 4th Oath to be obedient to the Amyrlin/Elaida..
While Elaida of course dismisses the danger of the Seanchan (ironically already suggesting that Rand might have an alliance with them, which will actually happen; maybe even before the WT attack, as I believe). Egwene shows that she is pretty intelligent and very strong, has still positive feelings for Rand and thinks that the Seanchan have yet to cut through Andor to reach Tar Valon (though this might be wrong, considering their "Air Force" ).
It was interesting to learn that Alviarin delayed to come to her punishment in this chapter. Maybe she just got some orders by a Forsaken?
We got again an example of the DO messing with reality - besides changing corridors - by changing the picture; and a cameo of weevils in Elaida's bread.
Also Katerine's red dress with black slashes was a nice allusion to her being BA.
The question is, how long Egwene can stand Elaida's incompetence and deceive her, after all she knows that the WT is in immediate danger. It seems likely that she will eventually confront Elaida in such a way, that Elaida will finally order her execution (this is indicated by some Dreams). Of course, probably Gawyn and/or the Seanchan attack and /or the Hall will make sure that Egwene won't be executed.
It's clear that Egwene is the rightful Amyrlin considering her mental attitude about the WT and the AS.
Egwene wins more and more sympathy by the AS (e.g. Silviana or Meidani and probably Barasine, who all don't seem to be BA by their reactions) due to her not yielding to Elaida, "embracing the pain" almost like an Aiel and not become broken. Meanwhile Elaida becomes more and more a crazy dictator and basically digs her own grave, even suggesting a 4th Oath to be obedient to the Amyrlin/Elaida..
While Elaida of course dismisses the danger of the Seanchan (ironically already suggesting that Rand might have an alliance with them, which will actually happen; maybe even before the WT attack, as I believe). Egwene shows that she is pretty intelligent and very strong, has still positive feelings for Rand and thinks that the Seanchan have yet to cut through Andor to reach Tar Valon (though this might be wrong, considering their "Air Force" ).
It was interesting to learn that Alviarin delayed to come to her punishment in this chapter. Maybe she just got some orders by a Forsaken?
We got again an example of the DO messing with reality - besides changing corridors - by changing the picture; and a cameo of weevils in Elaida's bread.
Also Katerine's red dress with black slashes was a nice allusion to her being BA.
The question is, how long Egwene can stand Elaida's incompetence and deceive her, after all she knows that the WT is in immediate danger. It seems likely that she will eventually confront Elaida in such a way, that Elaida will finally order her execution (this is indicated by some Dreams). Of course, probably Gawyn and/or the Seanchan attack and /or the Hall will make sure that Egwene won't be executed.
It's clear that Egwene is the rightful Amyrlin considering her mental attitude about the WT and the AS.
This message last edited by Etzel on 24/09/2009 at 05:20:20 PM
Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM
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I liked it *Spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM
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Mind-numbingly boring...
- 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM
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Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM*
- 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM
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EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way.
- 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM
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Chapter summary
- 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM
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sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM*
- 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM
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I should disagree
- 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM
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Jordan left tons of background info in notes
- 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM
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Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes
- 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM
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Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM*
- 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM
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Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
- 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM
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Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
- 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
- 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM
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Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower.
- 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM
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I always thought it was the small town thing
- 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM
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Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH?
- 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM
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So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way!
- 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM
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Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
- 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM
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This made my morning happy.
- 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM
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I think it's different.
- 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM
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True.
- 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM
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Re: True.
- 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM
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I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM*
- 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
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Re: I think it's different.
- 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM
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There's still a difference...
- 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM
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Re: There's still a difference...
- 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM
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But...
- 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM
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In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her.
- 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM
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Is Alviarin finished?
- 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM
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Two possibilities that come to mind
- 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM
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Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too.
- 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM
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She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths.
- 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM
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Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline!
- 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM
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Not finished it yet
- 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM
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Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar
- 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM
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Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her
- 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM
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I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list
- 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM
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If this is true, it could be a ploy
- 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM
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I liked it *Spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM
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I think...
- 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM
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Re: I think...
- 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM
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Re: I think...
- 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM
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Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well?
- 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM
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Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid
- 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM
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Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM*
- 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM
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is she wrong?
- 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM
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The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits
- 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM
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Re: is she wrong?
- 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM
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Re: is she wrong?
- 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM
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I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement
- 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM
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What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT?
- 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM
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I can never decide what I think will happen
- 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM
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Re: I can never decide what I think will happen
- 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM
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I disagree, the Rebels are better protected
- 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM
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I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM*
- 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM
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Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
- 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM
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Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
- 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM
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OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
- 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM
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Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
- 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM
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The title of book 13...
- 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM
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Swing and a miss.
- 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM
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As said
- 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM
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Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A
- 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM
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I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any?
- 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM
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Also... this makes me miss RJ even more
- 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM
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I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM*
- 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM
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Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath?
- 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM
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I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn.
- 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM
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The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
- 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM
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Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
- 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes
- 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM
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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM*
- 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM
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What about Mesaana?
- 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM
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Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little
- 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM
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Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM
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That's not his argument though
- 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM
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I think...
- 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM
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Egwene and Mesaana
- 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM
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Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene...
- 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM
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Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM*
- 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM
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Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod
- 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM
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Well... that elicited quite a reaction.
- 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM
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I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
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She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it
- 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM
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Hmmm....
- 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM
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Re: Hmmm....
- 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM
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Re: Hmmm....
- 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM
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Elaida, Formidable?
- 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM
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How do you figure?
- 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM
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Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
- 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM
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Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
- 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM
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Oh yeah, and...
- 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM
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The Dark One's Touch
- 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM
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Re: The Dark One's Touch
- 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM
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