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Swing and a miss. The Dude Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM

"Towers of Midnight" suggests in any case that the WT plot won't be completely resolved until then, and that especially the Seanchan attack won't happen until book 13 (though there are of course also some other Towers the title likely refers to).

For what its worth, I completely disagree with you on this. The "Towers of Midnight" title to me refers to our two evil towers in the story. One definitly being the Black Tower which has a story arc with just as much brewing as the white tower even though it happens to be offscreen. The other tower being the tower of Ghenji (spelling?), who clearly has some evil roots as well, just ask Birgette.

we will see

The Dude
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Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2516 Views
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This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2497 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2619 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2590 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2449 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2496 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2355 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2386 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2391 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2363 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2197 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2624 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2283 Views
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Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 3168 Views
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Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2610 Views
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She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2456 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2316 Views
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Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2492 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2267 Views
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Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2498 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2501 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2602 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2468 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2575 Views
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Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2321 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2303 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2449 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2242 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2501 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2533 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1362 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2431 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2602 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2190 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2588 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2336 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2445 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1949 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2376 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2415 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2433 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2339 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2611 Views
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is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2476 Views
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Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2442 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2324 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2550 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2333 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2490 Views
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I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2506 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2242 Views
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She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1333 Views
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I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2513 Views
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So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2270 Views
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Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2411 Views
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Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2474 Views
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Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2213 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2336 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2326 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2518 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2232 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2331 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2402 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2441 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2371 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2280 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2415 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2425 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2281 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1410 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2179 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2308 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2359 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2368 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2377 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2250 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2300 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2381 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2636 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2483 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2290 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1381 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2306 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2438 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1364 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2457 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2380 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2549 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2516 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2342 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1423 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1466 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2231 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2401 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2366 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2360 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2380 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2524 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2393 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2236 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2342 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2440 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2474 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 2107 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2589 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2436 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2219 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2388 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2381 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2403 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2426 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2249 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2334 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2414 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1390 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2344 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2279 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2361 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2601 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2322 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2326 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2312 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1372 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2208 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2353 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2155 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2382 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2165 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2301 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2331 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2363 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2374 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2246 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2337 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2377 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2378 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2332 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2322 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2661 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1338 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2511 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 2111 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2377 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2254 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2211 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1350 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2502 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2453 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2589 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2334 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1487 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2389 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2468 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1405 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2215 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2165 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2134 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2375 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2321 Views

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