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I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM
Especially because, IIRC, she always wore more elaborate dresses before.

On the other hand, I really don't see Mesaana accepting a demotion and posing as a novice/Accepted. She could simply "flee" or leave the WT in her AS personality and manipulate it then completely from the shadows (like presumably Aran'gar does with the Rebels). Of course, it's possible that Mesaana already fled the WT in CoT and is now living more plainly somewhere, e.g. in Tar Valon. After all, she was obviously afraid that Alviarin might recognize her in the WT, after SH spoiled her disguise in CoT.


to get closer to/manipulate Egwene. No one will suspect Egwene talking to another novice, but her contact with Aes Sedai seems to be controlled/monitored.


Novices are limited in what they can do. They can't wander around the Tower despite having no ajah. They have specific targetted chores, and after that they work hard, study and sleep. I can't see any Forsaken doing that, or even getting around it.

Mesaana's white dress was either what she was wearing on that day, or she's White ajah IMO. Graendal describes her as a scholar in that very sentence, so I think she could be a White or Brown.
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