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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM
Does anyone else think it is possible that a good part of Elaida's extreme behavior may stem from Padan Fain's Mordeth-suspicion rubbing off on Elaida?

Elaida was always a bit crazy, but her recent behavior reeks that she is not in her right mind. Just as Egwene noted, Egwene no longer needs to speed Elaida's descent as Amyrlin. Elaida is already doing that well enough herself.

How much of this be Fain's nature rubbing off on Elaida?

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Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 2347 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 1337 Views
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2406 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2414 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2380 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2302 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2260 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2475 Views
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I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2286 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2253 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2338 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2320 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2263 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2317 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2431 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2420 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2263 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1390 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2313 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2188 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2197 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2191 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2189 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2010 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2412 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2094 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2167 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2251 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2949 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2345 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2327 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2432 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1659 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2271 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2240 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2137 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1303 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2320 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2080 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1956 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2317 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2334 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2416 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2275 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2379 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2409 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 2067 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2147 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2112 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 2269 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2272 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2045 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2274 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2364 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1258 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2248 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2424 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2006 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2377 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2135 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2244 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1762 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2184 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2222 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2232 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2152 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2416 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1480 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2304 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2458 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2259 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2138 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2338 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2134 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2309 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2229 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2501 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2438 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2292 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2063 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2220 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2187 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1227 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2391 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2295 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2206 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2275 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1298 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2112 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 2102 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2227 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2208 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2278 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2301 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2202 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2035 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2133 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2126 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2320 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2073 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2141 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2228 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2254 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2193 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2088 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2221 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2232 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2090 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1318 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2014 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2117 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2176 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2172 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2162 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2051 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2112 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2165 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2455 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2283 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2087 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1276 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2125 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2199 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1260 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2263 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2194 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 2193 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2348 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2328 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 2140 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2163 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1313 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1355 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2043 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 2295 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2200 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2175 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2191 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2190 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2335 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2209 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2041 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2157 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2268 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2266 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1921 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2365 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2234 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2039 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2167 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2180 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2235 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2239 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2073 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2133 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2227 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1283 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2152 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2089 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2161 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2404 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2141 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2126 Views
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She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1254 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2040 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2192 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1979 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2200 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1976 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2099 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 2207 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2158 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2178 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2182 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2036 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2165 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2172 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2191 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2130 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2133 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2448 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1232 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2307 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1923 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2192 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2052 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2023 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1214 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2344 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2255 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2379 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2151 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1377 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2197 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2278 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1294 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2032 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1983 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1984 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2185 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2138 Views
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