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I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM
without cadsuane, he and nynaeve would've been alone at shadar logoth, since he didn't consider having people there to guard them.

so i'd say he'd be doing pretty crappily.


Egwene's statement implies that Rand can't do anything right by himself, but also suggests that she is the one who should be guiding him. I think those two are going to have words.


If we put Egwene's comment in context there is good reason to believe what I and Sidious have said. Just a chapter before Egwene's comment we have Rand's discussion with Nynaeve about Egwene wanting to control and manipulate him. At first Nynaeve defends Egwene, but then Rand reminds her that she is Aes Sedai and Amyrlin and that she would try to control him. Nynaeve has nothing to respond with because she knows Rand is right.

So we have Rand telling us that Egwene would try to control him, and Nynaeve recognizing it for truth and not arguing against it. Then a chapter later we have Egwene thinking about how she needs to control Rand. The evidence is overwhelming in favor of what I said originally and what Sidious is apparently agreeing with me on. Egwene is arrogant as ever.
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2336 Views
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Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2333 Views
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Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2281 Views
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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1423 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2363 Views
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We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2525 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2395 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2236 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2343 Views
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I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2476 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 2107 Views
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Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2436 Views
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Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2381 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2403 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2427 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2252 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2335 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2416 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1390 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2346 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2281 Views
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A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2602 Views
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Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2330 Views
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Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2209 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2357 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2155 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2382 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2165 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2305 Views
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Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2365 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2376 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2247 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2339 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2378 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2378 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2332 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2322 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2661 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1339 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2513 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 2111 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2378 Views
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Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2211 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1350 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2502 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2456 Views
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Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2334 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1487 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2389 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2469 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1405 Views
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What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2165 Views
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LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2321 Views

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