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Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat Send a noteboard - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM
After Egwene spoils the soup onto the rug, Elaida states:
"That rug is worth more than your entire village, wilder."

That simply can't be true. On the other hand, we know that Elaida isn't BA and that she is bound by the Three Oaths. So, it seems to be a mistake. Or are such obvious exaggerations actually allowed by the Oath?


Yes, but surely the person speaking only has to believe its true? Elaida could very well believe it, given her current state of mind.
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She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 999 Views
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Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1818 Views
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Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1728 Views
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Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1616 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1746 Views
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Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1784 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1696 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1718 Views
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Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1653 Views
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Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1014 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1890 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1845 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1948 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1750 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1147 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1808 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1847 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1073 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1635 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1593 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1844 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1748 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1714 Views
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