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I had many of those same thoughts. Narg Send a noteboard - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM
Egwene loves the tower so much. She hates the division she sees inside the tower. She only wants it to be whole. She also is willing to lead an army to take the tower by force with Aes Sedai pitted against Aes Sedai.

She really can be hard to stomach.

A little learning is a dangerous thing.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* Sidious - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 8559 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 3022 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1666 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2839 Views
I adored it. *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1513 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1559 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. Yvves - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 2513 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 2410 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... RandAllThor - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 2363 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2984 Views
Chapter summary Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 3121 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1435 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1689 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1478 Views
+1 Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 2511 Views
I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 2640 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2562 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 2647 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 1496 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. Rurouni_Kenshin - 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM 2645 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 2393 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 2629 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2677 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2684 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2685 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2578 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2561 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2755 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2647 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2540 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2563 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2625 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2597 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2535 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2578 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2707 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2655 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2539 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1520 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2564 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2432 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2484 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2483 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2431 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2272 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2728 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2371 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2423 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2509 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 3268 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2645 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2605 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2692 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1794 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2572 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2537 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2387 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1449 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2552 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2333 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 2199 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2577 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2588 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2689 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2561 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2654 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2696 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 2339 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2402 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2374 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 2545 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2521 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2309 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2590 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2602 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1402 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2535 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2686 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2264 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2672 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2425 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2525 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 2039 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2466 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2486 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2515 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2412 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2709 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1634 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2556 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2741 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2505 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2402 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2655 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2421 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2561 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2484 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2771 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2692 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2613 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2324 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2512 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2469 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1374 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2674 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2602 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2494 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2555 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1439 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2358 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 2414 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2508 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2458 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2571 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2613 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2481 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2291 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2416 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2415 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2596 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2307 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2416 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2486 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2528 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2441 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2364 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2497 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2517 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2349 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1457 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2265 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2387 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2439 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2439 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2463 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2313 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2375 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2464 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2708 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2560 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2364 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1427 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2389 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2523 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1401 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2517 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2461 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 2449 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2638 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2594 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 2392 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2428 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1480 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1513 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2320 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 2588 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2471 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2454 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2428 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2462 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2596 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2458 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2304 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2427 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2517 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2555 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 2178 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2679 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2503 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2306 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2484 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2459 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2483 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2497 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2324 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2394 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2483 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1459 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2420 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2369 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2451 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2690 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2396 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2423 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2386 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1424 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2270 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2424 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2236 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2456 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2253 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2385 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 2506 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2426 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2447 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2466 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2340 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2419 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2472 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2447 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2418 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2405 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2755 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1374 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2606 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 2187 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2462 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2339 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2281 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1423 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2580 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2539 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2681 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2400 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1534 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2478 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2549 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1450 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2292 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2230 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2215 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2445 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2383 Views
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