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Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape Send a noteboard - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM

Actually Egwene does not want Aes Sedai figthing Aes Sedai or to take the Tower by force. Why else would she have settled down for a seige when she could just as easily have Traveled with the army and rebels into the WT itself when the Aes Sedai there were not expecting them. 300 Aes Sedai plus 30,000 heavily armed soldiers at key locations say Elaida's study, the Hall to name but a few and the war is over very quickly. Egwene realised that this would cause bloodshed and even if her side won the Tower Aes Sedai would not just sit back and take it, a lot of them would probably flee the Tower and then its back to square one.


I had always thought her failure to make use of the huge advantage of gateway weaves was one of the best examples of Egwene's incompetence. If done right with a stealth attack the white tower would have fallen quickly and with minimal suffering.

The army was gathered in the first place to lay siege and conquer the white tower, which would have meant much bloodshed. Unfortunately or fortunately as the case may be, Egwene made one of her biggest blunders in the series by not trusting nor communicating with the general with regards to his strategy for taking the tower.

All good things come to those who wait.
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Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2379 Views
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She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2178 Views
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I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2481 Views
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Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2449 Views
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Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1825 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2218 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2198 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2393 Views
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Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2210 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2280 Views
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Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2257 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2149 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2289 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2230 Views
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Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2233 Views
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I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2347 Views
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This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1304 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2184 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2304 Views
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2217 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1342 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1383 Views
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Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2272 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2236 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2254 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2253 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2393 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2272 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2110 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2220 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2331 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2333 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1995 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2443 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2293 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2098 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2245 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2246 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2296 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2298 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2130 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2205 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2285 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1310 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2218 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2158 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2242 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2466 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2199 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2197 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2186 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1281 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2098 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2241 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2032 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2270 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2041 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2185 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2222 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2240 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2242 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2098 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2223 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2235 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2247 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2203 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2195 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2507 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1279 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2368 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1987 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2264 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2124 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2073 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1245 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2389 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2316 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2451 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2217 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1407 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2254 Views
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Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1321 Views
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What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2048 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2039 Views
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LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2201 Views

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