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But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM
With Cadsuane mid-to-high 30s, Eg/Avi/El at 40, Nynaeve at 65, etc. Androl, meanwhile, is probably around 4 or 5. I see him as similar to Morgase, only a little more powerful.

The problem with Nynaeve at 65 is that it makes zero sense. She's has about 6 women stronger than her in the entire series, and matches mid-level Foresaken strength. No way is she 65.

And given what we know about strength being a bell curve, there's no way exceptionally strong women like Moiraine are going to be below strength 50, which would be the average strength of all channelers.


She's strong for the Third Age, when average strength has declined a great deal. It makes no sense that she would be 50; Elayne, Egwene and Aviendha are all significantly stronger than she, yet Rand (at not even close to full potential, mind you, as of tSR) handled both Egwene and Elayne with little difficulty—and Egwene, at least, was close to her potential at that time because of the forcing she experienced at the hands of the Seanchan.

Similarly, it simply doesn't make sense that Moiraine is over half as strong as Rand. Just, no.
Here's to keeping the spirit of Wotmania alive...cheers to RAFO
This message last edited by DREWRULESWOT! on 26/10/2012 at 05:17:00 AM
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3108 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 866 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1066 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1369 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1430 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1019 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1263 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1597 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1311 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1368 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1349 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1367 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1336 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1209 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1367 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 768 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1437 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1139 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1498 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1134 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1280 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1236 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1266 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1299 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1289 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1314 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1244 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1219 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1145 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1219 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1209 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1129 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1259 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1228 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1365 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1296 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1180 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1442 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1073 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1163 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1273 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1087 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1095 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 1202 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1086 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1288 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1075 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1185 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1268 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1240 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1051 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1257 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1037 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1081 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1028 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1273 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1189 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1087 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1231 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1130 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1149 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1126 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1534 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1164 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1250 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1111 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1097 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1102 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1173 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1064 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1104 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1101 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1193 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1222 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1086 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1065 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1050 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1064 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1264 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1049 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1111 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1117 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1277 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1027 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1138 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1066 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1066 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1228 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1071 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1100 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1065 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1007 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1081 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1699 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1117 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1159 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1087 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1248 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1120 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 1100 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 1152 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1216 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1111 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1081 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1209 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1145 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1088 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1188 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1111 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1133 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1071 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1069 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1100 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 1180 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1234 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1242 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 767 Views
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