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But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM
With Cadsuane mid-to-high 30s, Eg/Avi/El at 40, Nynaeve at 65, etc. Androl, meanwhile, is probably around 4 or 5. I see him as similar to Morgase, only a little more powerful.

The problem with Nynaeve at 65 is that it makes zero sense. She's has about 6 women stronger than her in the entire series, and matches mid-level Foresaken strength. No way is she 65.

And given what we know about strength being a bell curve, there's no way exceptionally strong women like Moiraine are going to be below strength 50, which would be the average strength of all channelers.


She's strong for the Third Age, when average strength has declined a great deal. It makes no sense that she would be 50; Elayne, Egwene and Aviendha are all significantly stronger than she, yet Rand (at not even close to full potential, mind you, as of tSR) handled both Egwene and Elayne with little difficulty—and Egwene, at least, was close to her potential at that time because of the forcing she experienced at the hands of the Seanchan.

Similarly, it simply doesn't make sense that Moiraine is over half as strong as Rand. Just, no.
Here's to keeping the spirit of Wotmania alive...cheers to RAFO
This message last edited by DREWRULESWOT! on 26/10/2012 at 05:17:00 AM
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3074 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 841 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1052 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1342 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1374 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 990 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1239 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1553 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1288 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1338 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1332 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1341 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1318 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1192 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1349 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 748 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1411 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1108 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1464 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1117 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1257 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1212 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1246 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1262 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1266 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1273 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1199 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1184 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1129 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1199 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1183 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1101 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1244 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1209 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1319 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1276 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1107 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1387 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1051 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1133 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1228 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1067 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1073 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 1180 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1062 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1270 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1049 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1162 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1244 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1203 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1029 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1217 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1020 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1058 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1011 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1227 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1163 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1064 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1184 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1096 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1122 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1101 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1495 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1131 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1227 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1088 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1072 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1082 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1133 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1039 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1075 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1080 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1150 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1179 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1068 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1042 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1026 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1042 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1230 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1032 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1089 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1094 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1243 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1004 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1123 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1040 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1030 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1199 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1049 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1085 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1042 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 987 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1063 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1657 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1079 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1125 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1061 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1210 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1103 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 1057 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 1113 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1181 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1088 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1060 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1170 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1108 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1071 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1172 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1090 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1113 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1052 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1053 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1080 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 1143 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1203 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1204 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 746 Views
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