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But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM
With Cadsuane mid-to-high 30s, Eg/Avi/El at 40, Nynaeve at 65, etc. Androl, meanwhile, is probably around 4 or 5. I see him as similar to Morgase, only a little more powerful.

The problem with Nynaeve at 65 is that it makes zero sense. She's has about 6 women stronger than her in the entire series, and matches mid-level Foresaken strength. No way is she 65.

And given what we know about strength being a bell curve, there's no way exceptionally strong women like Moiraine are going to be below strength 50, which would be the average strength of all channelers.


She's strong for the Third Age, when average strength has declined a great deal. It makes no sense that she would be 50; Elayne, Egwene and Aviendha are all significantly stronger than she, yet Rand (at not even close to full potential, mind you, as of tSR) handled both Egwene and Elayne with little difficulty—and Egwene, at least, was close to her potential at that time because of the forcing she experienced at the hands of the Seanchan.

Similarly, it simply doesn't make sense that Moiraine is over half as strong as Rand. Just, no.


Shields are easy to put in place if the person is not holding the Source, and require a bit more power to continue shielding. In the aforementioned chapter of tSR, Egwene is not holding saidar. Elayne may possibly be, but she was not forced by the Seanchan, and therefore nowhere near her potential.


Than it does to maintain just one of a type of weave. If they were both really that strong, Rand should have to be using almost his full strength to hold their shields—except he's also weaving about four or five other things at the same time, while they are frantically and assumedly beating at those shields with all their strength...
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2877 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 733 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 990 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1212 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1150 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 856 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1135 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1368 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1181 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1225 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1221 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1241 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1122 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1074 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1158 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 646 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1274 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 952 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1301 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1020 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1107 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1076 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1129 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1087 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1133 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1086 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 994 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1008 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1000 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1059 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1056 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 983 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1086 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1070 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1091 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1140 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 820 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1167 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 940 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1025 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1043 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 947 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 962 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 962 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 919 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1127 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 906 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1041 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1132 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1025 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 890 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1020 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 901 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 953 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 895 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1035 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1041 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 925 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 976 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 945 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 976 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 988 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1324 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1006 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1068 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 950 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 955 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 945 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 962 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 930 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 942 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 972 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 991 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1007 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 947 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 933 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 924 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 920 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1058 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 918 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 956 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 916 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1067 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 907 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 950 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 932 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 852 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1065 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 903 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 977 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 929 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 874 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 961 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1493 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 921 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 969 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 955 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1033 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 996 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 889 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 944 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 992 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 974 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 930 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1008 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 904 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 932 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 963 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 974 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1010 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 938 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 945 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 966 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 973 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1106 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1062 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 644 Views
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