Several points here.
1. Strength has not declined since the AOL the number of channelers as a whole has decreased from 2-3% of the population to 1% there is no mention that the average strength is less, there are just fewer people with the ability. Thus we still have women like Alivia and Sharina Nynaeve and Talaan who are strong as the Forsaken, but they represent the same relative % of the population as those in the AOL. Just at a smaller raw scale.
2. In TSR Egwene was only slightly stronger than Moiraine. She tells Rand the amount of Salidar she is holding would,have Moiraine writhing in pain, not burned out. Which means she was just a little ver half of her full potential as we find out later she is as strong as Melaine and Amy's together and they are close to Moiraine in strength.
3. Elayne is still rather weak in this scene as she had less forcing than Egwene. In fact later in the book she is shocked that she is strong enough to lift a single small woman off the ground (Amathera who is attacking Temaile) and that happens after she had been on the Sea Folk ship working with huge flows for weeks.
4. At the time she and Egwene are amazed at how strong Rand is, but he is far closer to his ultimate potential as he is already strong enough to match the male forsaken in the Power.
5. We are also not considering the impact of effective v. Raw strength here. Nynaeve may be a 65 in Raw strength, but she is likely a 95 in effective strength, Moiraine perhaps is a 35 Raw and a 50 effect etc...
6. Pevara is clearly considered above "average" raw strength for men as Androl would have such knowledge. No point in trying to refute the direct quote from Androl on that.
1. Strength has not declined since the AOL the number of channelers as a whole has decreased from 2-3% of the population to 1% there is no mention that the average strength is less, there are just fewer people with the ability. Thus we still have women like Alivia and Sharina Nynaeve and Talaan who are strong as the Forsaken, but they represent the same relative % of the population as those in the AOL. Just at a smaller raw scale.
2. In TSR Egwene was only slightly stronger than Moiraine. She tells Rand the amount of Salidar she is holding would,have Moiraine writhing in pain, not burned out. Which means she was just a little ver half of her full potential as we find out later she is as strong as Melaine and Amy's together and they are close to Moiraine in strength.
3. Elayne is still rather weak in this scene as she had less forcing than Egwene. In fact later in the book she is shocked that she is strong enough to lift a single small woman off the ground (Amathera who is attacking Temaile) and that happens after she had been on the Sea Folk ship working with huge flows for weeks.
4. At the time she and Egwene are amazed at how strong Rand is, but he is far closer to his ultimate potential as he is already strong enough to match the male forsaken in the Power.
5. We are also not considering the impact of effective v. Raw strength here. Nynaeve may be a 65 in Raw strength, but she is likely a 95 in effective strength, Moiraine perhaps is a 35 Raw and a 50 effect etc...
6. Pevara is clearly considered above "average" raw strength for men as Androl would have such knowledge. No point in trying to refute the direct quote from Androl on that.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications
24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM
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Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM*
24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM
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Androl did. *NM*
25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM
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But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing?
25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM
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Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information.
25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM
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Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications
25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM
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Travelling
25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM
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Yes that's a pet theory of mine
25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM
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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine
25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM
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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine
25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM
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Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common
28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM
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How strong Pevara is...
25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30...
25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM
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Agreed
25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM
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That was disproved long ago...
26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM
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But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong'
26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM
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Not particularly strong evidence for that last.
26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM
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But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves
26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM
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Not accurate
27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM
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The Bell Curve explained...
26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM
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Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same
27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM
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The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same...
28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM
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Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same...
28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM
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You need to go read RJ's quotes:
28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM
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Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes:
28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM
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I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies.
28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM
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Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies.
28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM
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This is like watching a train-wreck.
29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM
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Re: This is like watching a train-wreck.
29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM
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So what's your conclusion?
29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM
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you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right?
29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM
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Excellent points...
29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM
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Re: Excellent points...
29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM
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You seem confused.
29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM
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Re: You seem confused.
29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM
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I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area
29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM
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Re: You seem confused.
29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM
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Re: You seem confused.
29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM
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He drew graphs!
30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM
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Re: Excellent points...
30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM
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Re: Excellent points...
30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM
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Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes:
29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM
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Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes:
29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM
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Huh?
29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM
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Re: Huh?
29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM
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You don't seem to know what random means...
29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM
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Re: You don't seem to know what random means...
29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM
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Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop
29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM
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Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop
29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM
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Geography alone can do this
30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM
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Here's why its not random...
30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM
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Re: Here's why its not random...
30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM
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Re: Here's why its not random...
30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM
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Re: You don't seem to know what random means...
29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM
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Re: You don't seem to know what random means...
29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM
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Why must there be a mechanism?
30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM
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Re: Why must there be a mechanism?
30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM
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Nope...
30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM
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Re: Nope...
30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM
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Oh my...
30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM
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Thought experment time! Hurrah!
30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM
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But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results
30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM
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Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results
30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM
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Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same
28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM
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The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories
28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM
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Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories
28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM
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The curve hasn't shifted!
28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM
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The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength.
28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM
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Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength.
28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM
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There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength
28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM
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How is this fact?
29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM
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Re: How is this fact?
29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM
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Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then...
29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM
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Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then...
29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM
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Are you blind man?
30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM
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Re: The curve hasn't shifted!
28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM
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Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times
28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM
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On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking
27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM
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