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Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor Send a noteboard - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM
Apart from that, RJ in his quote about what oercent of the Bell Curve are strong enough to be Aes Sedai makes it clear the same bell curve holds in the current age as was found in the AoL. Which makes sense, since all you're doing is reducing overall numbers by killing male channelers. The numbers lost will be evenly spread over the curve. Why would stronger channelers be weeded off more?


That depends on what controls channeling, doesn't it? if it's genetic, is it completely unlikely that it's controlled by more than one gene, and that having two parents with the right genes could make potentially make you a stronger channeler than having just one parent with those genes? And if channeling is controlled by the soul, who is to say which souls the pattern spins out? If there are ages when channeling is unknown, why not ages when channelers are weaker?

Also, I don't know if anyone has done this before, but I made a plot of the famous bell curve, by using data from the Thirteenth Depository, not including the female Forsaken. Assuming that those data are correct, and that this is a sufficiently large sample, I would say it seems to peak somewhat below the middle. Also, large numbers of novices and accepted are sent away without becoming Aes Sedai. If they are sent away because they are too weak, the peak would be even lower than this chart suggests.

To me, it looks like the average strength today is at something like a third of Lanfear's strength. This in itself doesn't prove anything, and with very little data available from the Age of Legends, I don't see how it's possible to make any solid claims about the distribution being different or not.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3188 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 912 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1103 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1415 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1541 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1062 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1328 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1684 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1360 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1418 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1397 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1411 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1375 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1256 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1425 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 821 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1482 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1219 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1585 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1183 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1325 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1286 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1309 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1374 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1330 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1396 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1315 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1284 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1206 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1261 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1256 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1176 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1308 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1275 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1466 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1356 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1314 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1540 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1112 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1216 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1347 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1130 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1141 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1130 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1333 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1111 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1236 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1310 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1099 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1324 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1084 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1125 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1071 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1346 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1226 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1127 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1335 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1187 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1201 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1177 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1621 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1209 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1291 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1161 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1158 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1151 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1244 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1106 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1149 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1142 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1269 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1302 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1131 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1111 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1108 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1109 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1336 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1096 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1157 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1167 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1344 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1070 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1187 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1139 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1139 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1272 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1114 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1141 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1113 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1060 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1136 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1773 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1195 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1223 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1129 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1319 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1166 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1281 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1162 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1119 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1281 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1237 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1133 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1236 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1159 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1179 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1114 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1127 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1139 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1281 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1315 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 815 Views

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