Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies.
Tor Send a noteboard - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM
Firstly, channeling strength IS linked to genetics. It is blatantly incorrect to say that it is solely linked to the soul.
In fact, it is linked to both the soul and the body. If Lews Therin's soul was reborn into a body that does not have sufficient strength, he will be weaker in the One Power than in his previous incarnation.
So yes, a weaker channeling gene pool will serve to reduce average strength.
In fact, it is linked to both the soul and the body. If Lews Therin's soul was reborn into a body that does not have sufficient strength, he will be weaker in the One Power than in his previous incarnation.
So yes, a weaker channeling gene pool will serve to reduce average strength.
How do we know that it is both? An RJ quote? Do you have a link?
Secondly, great work in applying a Bell Curve to the estimated channeler strengths of known channelers. It indeed clearly shows that the curve now spikes way lower than it did in the Age of Legends.
Actually, it does no such thing, since I don't know what the average was in the Age of Legends.
Furthermore, RJ has confirmed that 62.5% of female channelers are strong enough to pass the Aes Sedai test (meaning they are as strong as Daigian or stronger). This means that only 12.5% of channelers lie between Daigian and the average strength channeler.
We know that Daigian is roughly one third as strong as Moiraine. And we know that Lanfear is FAR more than twice as strong as Moiraine (meaning that Moiraine has to lie below the average strength channeler).
All of this tells us that all modern Aes Sedai come from less than 12.5% of the total female channeling population. This HAS to be the case, because if 37.5% lie below Daigian, then 12.5% lie between Daigian and the average strength, and if Moiraine lies BELOW the average strength, then all modern sisters who fall between Daigian and Moiraine come from LESS than 12.5% of the total channeling population.
There it is. Irrefutable, if you believe in the Bell Curve hypothesis.
We know that Daigian is roughly one third as strong as Moiraine. And we know that Lanfear is FAR more than twice as strong as Moiraine (meaning that Moiraine has to lie below the average strength channeler).
All of this tells us that all modern Aes Sedai come from less than 12.5% of the total female channeling population. This HAS to be the case, because if 37.5% lie below Daigian, then 12.5% lie between Daigian and the average strength, and if Moiraine lies BELOW the average strength, then all modern sisters who fall between Daigian and Moiraine come from LESS than 12.5% of the total channeling population.
There it is. Irrefutable, if you believe in the Bell Curve hypothesis.
This argument hinges on Moirane being weaker than average, and from the statistics alone, you cannot conclude that this is the case. A bell curve does not have a top, and even if RJ has said that there is a top level in this particular case, there is no reason the top has to be twice the average.
Fram kamerater!
Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications
- 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM
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Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM*
- 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM
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Androl did. *NM*
- 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM
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But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing?
- 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM
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Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information.
- 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM
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Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications
- 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM
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Travelling
- 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM
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Yes that's a pet theory of mine
- 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM
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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine
- 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM
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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine
- 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM
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Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common
- 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM
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How strong Pevara is...
- 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30...
- 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM
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Agreed
- 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM
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That was disproved long ago...
- 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM
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But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong'
- 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM
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Not particularly strong evidence for that last.
- 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM
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But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves
- 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM
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The Bell Curve explained...
- 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
- 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
- 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
- 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
- 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM
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Re: The Bell Curve explained...
- 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM
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Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same
- 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM
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The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same...
- 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM
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Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same...
- 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM
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You need to go read RJ's quotes:
- 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM
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Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes:
- 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM
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I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies.
- 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM
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Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies.
- 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM
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This is like watching a train-wreck.
- 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM
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Re: This is like watching a train-wreck.
- 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM
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So what's your conclusion?
- 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM
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you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right?
- 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM
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Excellent points...
- 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM
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Re: Excellent points...
- 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM
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You seem confused.
- 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM
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Re: You seem confused.
- 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM
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I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area
- 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM
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Re: You seem confused.
- 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM
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Re: You seem confused.
- 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM
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He drew graphs!
- 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM
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He drew graphs!
- 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM
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Re: Excellent points...
- 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM
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Re: Excellent points...
- 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM
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Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes:
- 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM
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Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes:
- 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM
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Huh?
- 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM
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Re: Huh?
- 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM
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You don't seem to know what random means...
- 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM
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Re: You don't seem to know what random means...
- 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM
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Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop
- 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM
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Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop
- 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM
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Geography alone can do this
- 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM
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Here's why its not random...
- 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM
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Re: Here's why its not random...
- 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM
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Re: Here's why its not random...
- 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM
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Re: You don't seem to know what random means...
- 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM
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Re: You don't seem to know what random means...
- 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM
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Why must there be a mechanism?
- 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM
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Re: Why must there be a mechanism?
- 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM
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Nope...
- 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM
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Re: Nope...
- 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM
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Oh my...
- 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM
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Thought experment time! Hurrah!
- 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM
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But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results
- 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM
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Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results
- 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM
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Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same
- 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM
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The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories
- 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM
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Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories
- 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM
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The curve hasn't shifted!
- 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM
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The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength.
- 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM
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Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength.
- 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM
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There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength
- 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM
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How is this fact?
- 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM
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Re: How is this fact?
- 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM
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Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then...
- 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM
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Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then...
- 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM
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Are you blind man?
- 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM
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Re: The curve hasn't shifted!
- 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM
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Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times
- 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM
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On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking
- 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM
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