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you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM
there is no direct comparison in the books that tell us how close Moiraine is in actual strength to any of the Forsaken. All we really know is that she is in a relatively rare strength category for women, and from the recent quote about Pevara we now know Moiraine would be considered strong even among men. We can extrapolate that Moiraine is a little more than 50% as strong as Egwene and that Egwene is well over 50% of Lanfear, but that's about as close as we can really get to a comparison between Moiraine and Lanfear without a direct quote.

Training (or lack thereof) will create an illusion of even greater strength for the Forsaken as they can do many things modern AS have no clue are possible. Many of these things don't rely on strength, but have spectacular effects ... Compulsion clearly doesn't require vast strength as Delana can do it just fine, but it does require specialized training and arguably has a more potent effect than things that require a lot of power like the invisibility trick Elayne has to create ter'angreal for because most AS don't have the strength for, yet it's practically a useless weave! It would be easy to assume the more powerful individual is the person who can use Compulsion, when in fact the opposite may be true.

All of the Forsaken are capable of many things that make them appear even more powerful than they are ... Lanfear's ability partial shield on Asmodean was clearly a matter of her superior skill in this area, not simply raw power. She even notes that he could have broken free if he was willing to push his limits. IMO it's unlikely that Lanfear is actually stronger than Asmodean, but she is clearly more effective.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3153 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 893 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1080 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1396 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1488 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1043 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1291 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1649 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1337 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1392 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1378 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1393 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1357 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1237 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1401 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 796 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1462 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1180 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1543 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1161 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1309 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1255 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1294 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1341 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1312 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1355 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1283 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1256 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1174 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1244 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1235 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1160 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1289 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1257 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1421 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1333 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1255 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1504 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1095 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1194 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1314 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1112 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1130 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1114 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1310 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1094 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1211 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1288 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1280 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1079 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1297 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1065 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1105 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1053 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1315 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1212 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1111 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1286 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1166 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1177 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1149 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1581 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1189 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1271 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1140 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1130 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1134 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1211 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1088 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1131 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1123 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1236 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1266 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1111 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1096 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1084 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1089 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1301 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1077 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1137 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1146 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1312 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1053 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1167 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1105 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1105 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1252 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1092 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1125 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1091 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1035 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1112 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1742 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1152 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1193 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1111 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1283 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1148 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1248 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1143 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1100 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1249 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1194 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1112 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1215 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1135 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1161 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1098 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1096 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1123 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1260 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1284 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 790 Views

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