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Re: Excellent points... DomA Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM
When confronted with a situation which could not possibly arise if the novices were a random sample of the population, you choose to believe there must be a mechanism by which only the weaker channelers, even though the don't know the can channel yet, choose to go to the Tower, rather than concluding (as I have) that RJ pulled the number 62.5% out of his hat, without thinking too much about it.


Well, he sure had a huge sense of humor and he liked to pull legs and make tongue-in-cheek jokes, but he also had a lot of respect for the fans who loved this sort of details because he loved that too. So yeah, he might have added the 2.5% as a bit of a joke, or not, but he was also quite maniacal when he came to stuff like this, loving to work with graphs and charts, and logical grids. He's that type of world builder. He had full lists of all the Amyrlins since the Breaking, with their Ajah, ages, deeds, the reasons why they were raised etc. 99% of this stuff never showed up in the series, but it's how he worked.

He had used those numbers for years, he had to know that the Tower would turn down 40% of all potential channellers, it gave him a basis to start with, but he was fully aware the sample among AS (not so among WF, WO) is so small it deviated from the stats (as it did with the new novices). He used all those numbers to figure out how many Wise Ones and Winfinders he should have in relation to their population, made charts of their strengths etc. He loved to have that kind of information on file to be able to just turn to his notes if he wanted a character to pass comments in the vein of "she was stronger than more than half the Windfinders". Don't forget, RJ's notes are considerably larger than the whole published series, and he used all sort of special purpose work files. He had this document with the AS characters arranged by level, as women on different levels had relationships of deference, increasing with the gaps. The Sheriam entry for e.g. would also list her exact strength, her time as novice/accepted, specific comments she had made about her abilities, Talents she might have and if he had used that or not, and it also gave the level of deference for women she interacted most often with. RJ just had to look at that and in a scene with Sheriam's circle he knew at a glance how to approach a conversation between them, if it should be Myrelle or Beowyn who interrupts etc. Then if he had to bring in a minor character, he'd just looked at her entry to see her level, and knew how she should act, and if wanted a sister to act specifically he could double-check and see if anything contradicted that, and if not he could change her strength. Etc.

His character files were in prose and like more or less detailed biographies, with motivations and so on. More the sort of stuff he'd look at before starting a new book than something to refer to as he wrote.

Another type of document he used were extremely detailed and complex charts (Brandon said even Maria has problems navigating them as RJ had all sort of color codes for everything... what happened on screen, what happened off-screen, if it could be altered or not, stuff that might happen, projections of main events for "global outline" of the series and so on and so forth. Apparently it's only RJ who was comfortable with that chronology file (Brandon wasn't, he relied on Maria who herself often preferred to rely on Tellings of the Wheel if the information was one that was confirmed by the text, she looked into the chronology of RJ when ToW was in doubt).



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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3282 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 967 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1170 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1465 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1666 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1111 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1409 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1767 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1412 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1496 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1439 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1453 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1428 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1317 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1483 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 880 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1538 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1298 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1659 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1226 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1387 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1350 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1363 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1459 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1387 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1479 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1385 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1366 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1269 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1319 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1302 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1230 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1366 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1330 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1573 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1419 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1450 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1648 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1160 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1272 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1439 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1185 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1199 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1188 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1391 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1161 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1294 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1365 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1162 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1415 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1136 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1174 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1126 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1423 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1286 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1178 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1442 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1242 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1261 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1230 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1709 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1268 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1350 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1216 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1216 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1216 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1338 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1162 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1194 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1198 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1358 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1385 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1189 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1159 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1161 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1157 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1431 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1151 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1202 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1211 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1430 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1121 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1238 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1191 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1218 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1326 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1171 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1200 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1169 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1118 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1183 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1857 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1306 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1320 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1184 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1400 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1214 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1373 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1224 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1178 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1373 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1320 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1192 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1289 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1214 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1232 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1161 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1191 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1186 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1329 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1411 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 864 Views

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