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Sure it is darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM

Hence, all modern Aes Sedai fall below the mean of the Bell Curve.

Where did we learn Moiraine wasn't half as strong as Lanfear? Enlighten me to this quote.


Its where Aviendha tells Egwene that she's stronger than Amys and Melaine combined. And considering Amys is as strong as Moiraine and Lanfear is vastly more powerful than Egwene, its confirmatory evidence. Aviendha's direct quote is one of those useful pieces of information that you and Darius throw out because it doesn't fulfil your unlikely theories.


Moiraine herself tells us that Egwene and Aviendha, who are not at full potential, could overwhelm a female Forsaken. At the time Egwene isn't much stronger than Moiraine herself and Aviendha isn't as strong as Egwene. Even if Egwene was at full potential we know for fact that Aviendha was not even close to hers and Moiraine still felt they were strong enough to overwhelm a Forsaken. Given that Moiraine has been exposed to Nynaeve and several of the male Forsaken at the very least we can say that 100% of Egwene plus 50% of Aviendha is overwhelmingly stronger than Nynaeve.


Egwene was much stronger than Moiraine! Egwene was stronger than Moiraine in TSR and this comment was made at the end of TfoH. I agree that Egwene/aviendha together are more powerful than Nynaeve... That's not even being debated.


We know Egwene is a little less 2x Moiraine at maximum potential, but we don't know how close to her potential she as at the time of Moiraines comment. It's only a handful of weeks after TSR and her forcing is nowhere near as intense in that timeframe as it was when she was a damane. Aviendha had only been channeling for a few weeks and while obviously the WOs are much more aggressive coupled with Egwene being there to push her it's clear she gained strength rapidly, but it's practically impossible for her to be as strong as Moiraine at this time. Elayne was not as strong as Moiraine at the end of TSR or she would not have been surprised by her ability to lift a single woman in the Panarchs palace and we know by the time she and Aviendha become 1st Sisters they are pretty close to each other.

Now consider how strong they would need to be for Moiraine to think they could overwhelm a Forsaken. She likely isn't counting training into her equation as we all know even if they were 2x Lanfear they would realistically stand no chance, Alivia proves that. But in making her point on how strong the Forsaken are she'd have to think they were at least 20% stronger than Nynaeve to make such a statement and believe it. Makes me believe Moiraine is in the ballpark of 50% of a Forsaken female.

Egwene has much more knowledge of what to expect from a Forsaken when she ponders linking with Romanda and Lelaine to match one of the men Forsaken and knows she'll need a significant strength boost to face someone with exponentially more knowledge than her so she thinks she'll need to more than double her own Strength to face someone like this. However, by TOM, she confident in her skill and strength comination that she could face and defeat Mesaana the non-warrior Forsaken on her own. Odds are she has continued to grow in strength and she is clearly vastly more skilled than when she made the comment about facing a male Forsaken.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2688 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 653 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 904 Views
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Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 953 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 682 Views
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Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1038 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1034 Views
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Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 577 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1086 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 795 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1108 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 858 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 940 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 889 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 941 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 896 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 946 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 898 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 827 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 826 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 841 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 892 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 893 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 787 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 906 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 876 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 930 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 985 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 688 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 923 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 821 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 861 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 864 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 782 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 765 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 760 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 945 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 717 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 856 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 952 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 722 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 825 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 744 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 759 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 739 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 864 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 857 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 755 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 804 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 780 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 785 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 814 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1158 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 829 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 899 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 819 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 796 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 767 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 763 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 780 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 779 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 813 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 816 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 837 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 788 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 772 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 732 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 737 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 876 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 744 Views
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YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 758 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 886 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 742 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 778 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 743 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 694 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 887 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 735 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 830 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 747 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 696 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 784 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1314 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 762 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 791 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 774 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 846 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 788 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 817 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 790 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 754 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 842 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 718 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 755 Views
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Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 797 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 824 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 773 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 767 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 768 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 917 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 900 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 569 Views

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