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Re: Here's why its not random... Tor Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM
He has not contradicted himself. The 62.5% is a global average. Every minuscule subset doesn't have to adhere to it. This fact allowed him to reduce the AS intake of the Rebels, to ramp up tension without sacrificing the rules he built up.


1000 people isn't a miniscule subset, and repeatedly saying it is won't make it so. I'm afraid there is very little purpose to the discussion if we can't even agree on basic stuff like how statistics works.

Edit:

In any case, it is perfecly reasonable that high IQ is correlated with wanting to go to university. It is not perfecly reasonable that being a potentially strong channeler is correlated with wanting to become Aes Sedai, since most people don't know they can channel when they decide.

Why does high IQ tie in with wanting to go to university? Remember, I'm not talking about successfully entering university, or succeeding once in. I'm talking about the desire to go at all, and not because of social or financial pressures, but due to active curiosity and need to learn.


I'm not saying I know this is the case, but I think it sounds plausible that high IQ to some extent is correlated with doing well in school, which again I would think is correlated with the desire to go to university.

If you can come up with something that sounds like a reasonable explanation for the bias towards weaker channelers in the 1000 novices, I'm all ears.
Fram kamerater!
This message last edited by Tor on 30/10/2012 at 02:26:44 PM
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3154 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 893 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1080 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1396 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1488 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1044 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1292 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1649 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1338 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1393 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1378 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1394 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1358 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1237 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1401 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 796 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1463 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1180 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1543 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1162 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1310 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1255 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1294 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1342 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1312 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1355 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1283 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1256 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1175 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1244 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1236 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1161 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1289 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1258 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1421 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1333 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1255 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1505 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1096 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1194 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1315 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1112 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1130 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 1222 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1114 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1311 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1095 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1211 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1289 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1280 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1079 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1298 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1066 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1105 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1054 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1316 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1213 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1112 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1286 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1167 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1178 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1150 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1582 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1189 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1271 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1140 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1130 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1134 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1212 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1089 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1131 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1124 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1236 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1266 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1111 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1096 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1084 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1090 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1302 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1077 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1138 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1146 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1313 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1053 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1167 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1106 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1105 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1253 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1092 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1125 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1091 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1036 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1112 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1742 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1152 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1194 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1112 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1284 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1148 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 1134 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 1194 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1249 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1144 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1100 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1249 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1194 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1112 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1216 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1136 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1161 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1099 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1097 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1123 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 1230 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1261 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1285 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 790 Views
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