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How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM
More accurately, violent disgust.

So, Elaida is a power-obsessed despot. That's nothing new. But she used to be a formidable power-obsessed despot. Where is your knitting or your ivory figurines, Elaida? When she sent Alviarin crying to Mesaana in Crossroads of Twilight (and some people say nothing happened in that book...) I figured, 'this is what happens when you mess with this power-obsessed despot'. Elaida was a tyrannical egotist, but she got things done. Shrieking like a caricature over spilled soup on her carpet? Not impressive.



Elaida was never formidable. Oh she looked imposing to people who didn't know any better but it was all a front. She was always incompetent and never had her emotions under control.
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There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2437 Views
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But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2486 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2433 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2274 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2730 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2373 Views
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She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2540 Views
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Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2579 Views
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She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2376 Views
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nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1404 Views
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Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2268 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2677 Views
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Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 2042 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2471 Views
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I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2416 Views
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Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2506 Views
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Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2510 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2420 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2422 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2598 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2310 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2417 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2488 Views
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Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2445 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2366 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2501 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2522 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2354 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1460 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2271 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2389 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2441 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2468 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2317 Views
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I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2564 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2368 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1428 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2392 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2526 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1403 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2520 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2465 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2645 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2596 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2429 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1482 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1515 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2323 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2472 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2458 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2429 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2464 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2601 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2459 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2309 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2428 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2519 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2559 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 2180 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2681 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2507 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2308 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2486 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2462 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2484 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2500 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2325 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2398 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2485 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1461 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2422 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2375 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2455 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2692 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2397 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2424 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2388 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1426 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2271 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2426 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2238 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2458 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2259 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2391 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2430 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2449 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2468 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2342 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2423 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2474 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2452 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2423 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2408 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2757 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1377 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2611 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 2190 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2465 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2344 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2285 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1426 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2584 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2541 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2684 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2401 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1536 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2480 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2550 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1452 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2295 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2234 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2216 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2448 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2387 Views

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