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The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM

The shifting walls and art work aren't they only evidence of the Dark One's touch in this chapter.

I think people with character flaws like Elaida will steadily become worse as the Dark One's touch on the world increases. After all that's what caused the Collapse before the War of Power.

"His touch subtly altered everything that came within its influence. All the baser motivations and emotional problems of mankind were enhanced and manipulated, enlarging envy, greed and anger despite lack of any true motivating factors. All those dissatisfied with their lot in life felt that dissatisfaction intensify. Thievery, assault, murder and even wars began to appear with increasing frequency."

Some people thought Elaida was acting a little too wacky, but I think we're going to see a lot of that behavior from a lot of people in the coming books.
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7131 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 1879 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1084 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1725 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 931 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 981 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1394 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1328 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1247 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 1899 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 1979 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 854 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1016 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 912 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1403 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1510 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1401 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1572 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1575 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1588 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1518 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1452 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1435 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1647 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1544 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1446 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1413 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1482 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1427 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1408 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1518 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1544 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1580 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1432 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1415 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1330 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1350 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1372 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1380 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1166 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1420 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1279 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1318 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1411 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2131 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1531 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1450 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1631 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1221 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1505 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1409 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1312 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 899 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1474 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1247 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1376 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1467 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1526 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1606 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1444 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1484 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1580 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1257 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1335 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1319 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1410 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1239 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1427 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1524 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 836 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1422 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1598 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1206 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1566 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1262 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1432 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1198 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1337 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1373 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1416 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1334 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1596 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1075 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1488 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1602 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1437 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1368 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1490 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1271 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1438 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1389 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1659 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1564 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1499 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1256 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1414 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1369 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 816 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1547 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1444 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1398 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1457 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 914 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1347 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1248 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1369 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1386 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1482 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1481 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1416 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1176 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1284 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1276 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1476 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1272 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1307 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1374 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1394 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1380 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1227 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1346 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1401 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1255 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 908 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1150 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1329 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1362 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1354 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1287 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1234 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1285 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1370 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1613 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1437 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1312 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 871 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1331 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1286 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1436 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1361 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1508 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1465 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1319 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 897 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 934 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1221 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1358 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1366 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1374 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1375 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1487 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1382 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1200 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1308 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1452 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1458 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1111 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1537 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1406 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1227 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1364 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1338 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1396 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1430 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1247 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1327 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1414 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 882 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1338 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1279 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1325 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1537 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1338 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1255 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1317 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 869 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1219 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1324 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1176 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1400 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1152 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1312 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1338 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1402 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1395 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1209 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1338 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1310 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1371 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1302 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1313 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1627 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 812 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1384 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1132 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1323 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1244 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1217 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 851 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1446 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1366 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1478 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1362 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 976 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1420 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1451 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 889 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1218 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1216 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1438 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1341 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1307 Views

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