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Makes sense fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/12/2015 12:38:54 AM

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Then somewhere between TPOD and COT he started using the new system. That's probably when he started trying to decide on Forsaken strengths.

By LoC we start seeing specific statements about strength, I think. Before that, I'd wager RJ didn't even have the dexterity advantage down. By tPoD, we have Graendal specifically giving hints on the power levels of the Forsaken, close assessments of strength from characters like Elayne, etc. In WH, this goes further, and I suspect RJ used these levels to design the circles that took on specific Forsaken.

I do wonder if RJ would have given us any specific info on how average Aes Sedai and Asha'man compare, if he lived to write the Last Battle.

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Here's how I see it: fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:34:54 AM 1625 Views
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Re: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying fionwe1987 - 03/12/2015 05:41:17 PM 1574 Views
um, no darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 09:24:31 PM 1491 Views
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You said this much better than I did darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:53:57 PM 1493 Views
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seriously! darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 04:55:43 PM 1491 Views
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Then there would be some mention of it, yes/ fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:56:10 PM 1438 Views
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Sort of. Terez - 06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM 1993 Views
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duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:36 PM 827 Views
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Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:50:17 PM 1393 Views
plenty of weaker ones with notably strong Talents actually darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 06:26:03 PM 1455 Views
This is a flawed list Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM 1394 Views
and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM 1508 Views
another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question) darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM 1574 Views
Not really Sidious - 11/12/2015 09:09:41 PM 1483 Views
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