I think there are two factors in Balefire:
1 - Strength (how far back in time the Pattern is burnt out)
2 - Area (how much the balefire affects - this includes the range of the BF)
This is actually what I am arguing for. That a channeler can choose how wide the balefire stream is, and how strong it is. So Rand could choose a wide but weak stream to burn a large group back only a second. Or a single focused intense stream to burn just a single target back many hours.
But I am also suggesting that these two are not linked. So if he had enough power, he could also create a wide stream that burned everyone back an hour. Or he could create a focused stream that burned you back a second. It would be up to him.
The fact that entire cities were burned in the AoL in one go seems to support this. The AoLers who did not have unlimited power used a wide but weak stream. That still would have destroyed the city effectively, but without burning everyone back for more than just a few seconds maybe?
I see no reason to believe that Rand moderated his use of the CK. After all, he is taking out one of the top Forsaken, and before this, he spreads the knowledge of Balefire to his Asha'man (Narishma), suggesting that while he knows it is dangerous, he doesn't really realise why or how much it is.
Uhh?
At this point in the series, Rand has almost completely merged with LTT. And LTT was there when Balefire was invented. It is very likely that rather than not realising the danger, Rand actually knows better than anyone else alive (other than the forsaken) how balefire works, what it does and how much the pattern can take.
Read the scene where Cadsuane tries to order him to stop and he draws upon LTT to smack her down as the ignorant child that she is.
Given that, and given that he knows that the timespan he burned Rahvin back was sufficient since Moridin told him that Rahvin was gone. And given that he has not had his breakdown yet and does not want to destroy the pattern, why would he burn Graendal back any more than he did Rahvin? I see no reason why he would.
I think what we saw was a wide balefire stream that had been attuned so that while it touched everyone, those that it touched were not burned back all that long. No more than Rahvin and probably less. He might even have used as little as what Moiraine used when he took out Bel'al.
Yes, it did damage, but nowhere near enough to seriously endanger the pattern. And I doubt Rand had to draw upon all the power the CK had to offer to do this. I think he could have even used Callandor to accomplish this had he wished. Heck, a circle of 13 might have done the trick.
Now, Brandon has commented on how far back in time balefire can take things - we know that at most, it couldn't have taken Graendal back more than a week or so (Brandon said a day or two IIRC), but we know that the balefire was strong enough to remove the Compulsion placed on Ramshalan (probably 20-60 minutes earlier). Note that this minimum is roughly equal to or greater than the amount of time that Rand restored in TFoH with Rahvin.
With Rahvin, Rand used at most 1 metre squared of balefire (likely less, but we'll be generous). We also know that Natrin's Barrow is a large estate, so assuming that Rand's target area was 1km squared is not unreasonable.
1km squared = 1 million metres. This strongly suggests that he is definitely drawing deeply on the Choedan Kal.
I agree that he could not have created a stream wide enough to encompass the entire palace unaided. But I am arguing that he did not come close to drawing fully on the CK.
Even just 1% of the max power of CK would probably have been enough to take out the palace. That 1% would still be many many times more than Rands unaided strength though. But 1% is not drawing deeply.
Why would Rand, who did not want to destroy the pattern yet, use 100% of what the CK has to offer if he KNEW from LTT and what happened to Rahvin that 1% would be enough. And actually that 1% would be better/safer. No reason I can think of that he would have.
2 - We never hear how far back the population was taken. For all we know, the balefire streams were broad but far weaker than Rand's, only taking them back seconds or perhaps even less.
But if it is possible to create a stream that is broad and wide, but weak at the same time. Why would Rand have create a stream that was wide AND strong. He would know it was not required and would only cause unnecessary damage to the pattern. Damage that he, at this point in the book, did not want to cause yet.
			Rand the psycho?
	    
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			I cannot follow your assumptions.
	    
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			Wait!
	    
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			I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
	    
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			Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
	    
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			Rand crossed a line
	    
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			Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
	    
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			No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
	    
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			But not in this turning of the Wheel.  So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
	    
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			No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM
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			LOL ... super-death!
	    
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			Yes it was.
	    
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			let me ask the question in a different way
	    
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			actually that quote supports my thoughts
	    
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			yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
	    
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			Re: yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
	    
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			Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
	    
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			Sigh. What mass murder?
	    
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			In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
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			Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
	    
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			OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
	    
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			Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
	    
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			Meh
	    
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			The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
	    
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			I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
	    
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			I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
	    
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			right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions  - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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			Nice way to avoid the argument.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM
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			I'm just done talking in circles.  You seem to think that because people
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
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			I concede
	    
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			You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
	    
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			Morals are subjective anyhow,
	    
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			I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
	    
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			You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
	    
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			Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
	    
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			Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive,  Operation Chaos Rules
	    
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			Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
	    
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