Well, regardless of what RJ may or may not have implied in later Q&As about balefire, I re-read that scene a few times and Min and Nynaeve were horrified because in their understanding, he burned innocent threads from the Pattern never to be Reborn.
Rand should just tell them they are being idiots.
Without having omniscient abilities, neither would have known that killing one villain was worth sacrificing hundreds of innocent lives in a permanent matter.
Other than the fact that Min atleast should realise that if balefire truly destroyed souls, the wheel would have run out of them a long time ago. Still you may be right.
I think this is one of the scenes that really made Nynaeve come to the realization that Egwene, Elayne, Moiraine, Cadsuane and the Wise Ones had already come to; if Rand adopted such tactics, saving the Wheel using such scorched earth practices, he would have crossed a line where what he saved might not be any better than what Ishamael or any of the Forsaken intended.
Except that Min and Nynaeve are WRONG. Balefire does NOT destroy souls and all those drones will be reborn in better happier lives.
So while the ignorance of Min and Nynaeve explains their reaction, it still means that what Rand did here was not the true atrocity they think. Rand should tell them that. Maybe in the next book he will, explaining to Min for instance that the souls are quite safe. BS himself apparently thought that balefire destroyed souls until he was disabused of that notion by the team when the book was being written. So it is possible that having been wrong himself, he will want to clarify this to the readers. We shall see.
Rand the psycho?
- 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM
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I cannot follow your assumptions.
- 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM
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- 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM
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Wait!
- 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM
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- 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM
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- 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM
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- 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM
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- 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM
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- 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM
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- 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM
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- 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM
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- 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM
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- 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM
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Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
- 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
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Rand crossed a line
- 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
- 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM
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No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM
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But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
- 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM
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No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM
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LOL ... super-death!
- 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM
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Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM
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Re: Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM
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Re: Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM
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- 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM
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let me ask the question in a different way
- 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM
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- 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM
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actually that quote supports my thoughts
- 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM
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- 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM
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yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
- 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM
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- 07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM
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Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
- 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM
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Sigh. What mass murder?
- 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM
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In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM
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- 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM
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- 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM
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- 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM
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Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
- 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM
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OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
- 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
- 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM
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Meh
- 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM
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The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
- 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM
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- 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM
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I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
- 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM
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- 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM
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I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
- 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
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- 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM
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- 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM
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- 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions 
- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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Nice way to avoid the argument.
- 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM
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I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people
- 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
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I concede
- 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM
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You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
- 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM
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Morals are subjective anyhow,
- 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM
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- 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
- 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM
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You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
- 07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM
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Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
- 08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM
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Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules
- 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
- 07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM
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