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Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM
It's sort of like when a child molester says things like "she seduced me" of a 6 year old. It's just a coping mechanism for the evil, despicable act they have committed.


No it's not. Its nothing even remotely similar. Your comparison totally sucks. There is probably a latin word to describe how badly it sucks but I won't even bother to wiki it. Thats how much it sucks.

The argument I made and the debate I hoped to generate is whether or not it was an atrocity at all.

Given that Graendal was the only one truly alive there (unless he had visitors which was dealt with in another message, read it there). And unless Rand caused humongous amount of damage to the pattern (I don't think he did but its still being discussed). Then there was no atrocity here.

Not unless you also call it an atrocity when Rand killed Rahvin. Or Semirhage. Or when he led an attack to Illian and killed Sammael. Or any of the many many things he has done to prepare for last battle all over the series.

Remember, I am talking _ONLY_ about this particular act here. Not Rand in general in this book and his overall actions. I do not deny that overall, he was indeed a psycho. But I never even tried to debate or argue that.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1766 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1175 Views
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Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1190 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1100 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 924 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1063 Views
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 971 Views
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I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 925 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1059 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1071 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1021 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1108 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 902 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1051 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 511 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 968 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 983 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 939 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 522 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 908 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 521 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 938 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 899 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1048 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1000 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 998 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 993 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1005 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 974 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1046 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 940 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1045 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 883 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 989 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 951 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 983 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 985 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 913 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 996 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 956 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 881 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1045 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 997 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1007 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 946 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 976 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 886 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 902 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1073 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 906 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 908 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 999 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 976 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 969 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1040 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 893 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 935 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 991 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 918 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1075 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1037 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 973 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1000 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 907 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1041 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 977 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 982 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 918 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 994 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1169 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1303 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 881 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 918 Views

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