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Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM
It's sort of like when a child molester says things like "she seduced me" of a 6 year old. It's just a coping mechanism for the evil, despicable act they have committed.


No it's not. Its nothing even remotely similar. Your comparison totally sucks. There is probably a latin word to describe how badly it sucks but I won't even bother to wiki it. Thats how much it sucks.

The argument I made and the debate I hoped to generate is whether or not it was an atrocity at all.

Given that Graendal was the only one truly alive there (unless he had visitors which was dealt with in another message, read it there). And unless Rand caused humongous amount of damage to the pattern (I don't think he did but its still being discussed). Then there was no atrocity here.

Not unless you also call it an atrocity when Rand killed Rahvin. Or Semirhage. Or when he led an attack to Illian and killed Sammael. Or any of the many many things he has done to prepare for last battle all over the series.

Remember, I am talking _ONLY_ about this particular act here. Not Rand in general in this book and his overall actions. I do not deny that overall, he was indeed a psycho. But I never even tried to debate or argue that.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1863 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1276 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1266 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1295 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 1201 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM 1109 Views
Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1184 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM 1096 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 1084 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 1052 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM 1059 Views
I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 1016 Views
Re: I disagree - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 1051 Views
Re: I disagree - 07/01/2010 04:42:40 AM 1038 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1154 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 1054 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1162 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 1084 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1133 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 1064 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1128 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 1041 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1154 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1159 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1109 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1190 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 1003 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1160 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 559 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1059 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1063 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 1026 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 566 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 1001 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 559 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 1042 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 985 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1143 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1111 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1087 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 1083 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1094 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1072 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1163 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 1028 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1147 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 980 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1075 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1051 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1068 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1080 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 1007 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1091 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1061 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 976 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1124 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1104 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1112 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 1032 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1064 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 967 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 992 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1168 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 1000 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 994 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1093 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1057 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1055 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1126 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 984 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 1025 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 1093 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 1010 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1178 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1121 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1058 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1087 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 1002 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1119 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1080 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1068 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 1005 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1086 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1265 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1391 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 974 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 1006 Views

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