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actually that quote supports my thoughts darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM
The way it reads sounds like it could take a lot of time after someone's death to secure the right body... so unless it's a journey that takes months after your death I'm thinking Balefire shouldn't really make all that much difference.


Robert Jordan Answers: There are definitely time constraints on the Dark One's power to transmigrate a soul. The soul doesn't have to be secured immediately - that is, the Dark One doesn't have to be ready to snatch the soul at the instant of death - but the longer that passes after the death, the less chance that the Dark One will be able to secure the soul. Someone who has been killed with balefire in actuality died before the apparent time of his or her death, and thus the window of opportunity for the Dark One to secure that soul for transmigration is gone before the Dark One can know that the soul must be secured unless the amount of balefire used is very small. Remember that the more balefire is used, the further back the target's thread is burned out of the pattern.

After the soul is secured, then a suitable body must be acquired and stripped of the (former) owner's memory and soul to make way for the favored one. By the way, what constitutes a suitable body from the Dark One's perspective is not that of the recipient. Certainly Aginor would never have chosen to be reincarnated in his, shall we say, less than imposing body, nor would the womanizing Balthamel have chosen to be reincarnated as a beautiful woman. It was only chance that Moridin ended up in a body that is young, fairly good looking and physically imposing. Those things simply don't matter to the Dark One. But the body has to be basically healthy and sound, and neither too young nor too old. After all, the Dark One wants his servants to be effective, and a body that meets those basic requirements is more desirable than one that doesn't. Since there is no stockpile of such bodies, the only way for someone to die and immediately be reincarnated would be a matter of pure chance. That is, the death occurred when a suitable body was on hand for some other reason.

There are a few other limits and constraints, but I won't go into them here, since I may want to use them in the books, and I would rather they come as a surprise if I do.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1705 Views
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1032 Views
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 982 Views
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What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 924 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 876 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 493 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 847 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 487 Views
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Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 982 Views
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Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 919 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 964 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 871 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 987 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 819 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 925 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 812 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 980 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 927 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 928 Views
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What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 821 Views
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1005 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 842 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 843 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 931 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 898 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 909 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 971 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 836 Views
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 959 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 903 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 933 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 839 Views
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Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 905 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 920 Views
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Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 817 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 869 Views

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