I'll have to say a big 'Meh' to this - LTT didn't understand a lot of things, one of which was A) how to defeat the Dark One and B) how to nullify the effect the Dark One had on the Pattern. I tend to think how the Pattern (and balefire) works are something that only the Creator (ie: Robert Jordan) ultimately knew.
Sure, so because he did not do the job perfectly, it must means that he has no understanding of anything whatsover.
The fact that he DID manage to manipulate the bore/pattern somehow and had sufficient understanding to seal the DO away for 3 millennia, saving all of existence in the process is naturally meaningless.
I think this may be a situation similar to the mass-suicide of the Amayar wherein RJ was surprised more readers weren't affected by this in a more visceral way, but I think he may have underestimated exactly how many readers would quickly become apologists for whatever insane horror Rand unleashed because he is the "Hero"/main protagonist.
So you think Rand should not have done this then? You think he should have let Graendal go. To let her keep all those mindraped victims of hers and allow them to continue their suffering. To let her do this to hundreds of others in the future. Yes. That would indeed have been an atrocity.
What exactly do YOU think Rand should have done here?
Rand the psycho?
- 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM
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I cannot follow your assumptions.
- 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM
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- 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM
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Wait!
- 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM
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- 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM
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- 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM
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- 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM
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- 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM
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- 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM
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Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
- 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
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Rand crossed a line
- 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
- 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM
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No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM
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But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
- 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM
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No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM
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LOL ... super-death!
- 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM
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Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM
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- 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM
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Re: Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM
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- 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM
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let me ask the question in a different way
- 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM
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- 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM
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actually that quote supports my thoughts
- 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM
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- 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM
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yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
- 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM
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- 07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM
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Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
- 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM
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Sigh. What mass murder?
- 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM
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In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM
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- 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM
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- 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM
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- 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM
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- 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM
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Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
- 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM
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OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
- 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
- 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM
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Meh
- 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM
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The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
- 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM
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I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
- 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM
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- 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM
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I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
- 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
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- 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM
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- 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions 
- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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Nice way to avoid the argument.
- 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM
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I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people
- 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
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I concede
- 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM
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You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
- 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM
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Morals are subjective anyhow,
- 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM
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- 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
- 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM
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You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
- 07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM
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Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
- 08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM
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Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules
- 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
- 07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM
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