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Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM
no his actions are a ridiculous atrocity and his rationale is that those bodies were merely husks. The bigger issue isn't 100% what he did to all those people, but what he almost did to the Pattern! He could have destroyed the world in his effort to kill off one woman...


So you think a person with absolutely no free will, a puppet who mindlessly obeys Graendal is alive. Let me ask you a question. If you had a choice between that kind of existence and death, what would you choose.

Maybe you would rather exist than die, even as a mindless zombie and thats why you think it was wrong. I however would rather die than suffer like that. If WoT world were real, and I would be one of those in the palace, I would thank Rand if I could. Read my comparison to the paralysed blind mute person in one of the messages above to understand this better.

As for balefire.

If what you say is true, then I agree with you. If Rand came close to unraveling the pattern, just to kill Graendal, then indeed you are right and it would have been a insanely stupid thing to do.

But I argue that thats not what happened. I argue that LTT, having been there when balefire was developed and used knows how much to use. I argue that LTT/Rand knows far better how much the pattern can take than anyone else. I argue that despite whatever subjective reaction Min may have had, Rand did NOT significantly damage the pattern. Read some of the earlier posts for my attempts to examine this particular issue, I will not bother repeating it for you.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1766 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1175 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1180 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1190 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 1108 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM 1007 Views
Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1100 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM 1009 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 1001 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 958 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM 970 Views
I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 924 Views
Re: I disagree - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 958 Views
Re: I disagree - 07/01/2010 04:42:40 AM 941 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1063 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 962 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1066 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 978 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1036 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 970 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1030 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 925 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1059 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1071 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1021 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1108 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 902 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1051 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 511 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 968 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 983 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 939 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 522 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 907 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 521 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 937 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 898 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1048 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1000 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 997 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 992 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1004 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 973 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1046 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 940 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1044 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 882 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 988 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 951 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 983 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 985 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 913 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 996 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 956 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 881 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1045 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 997 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1007 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 946 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 976 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 886 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 902 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1072 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 905 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 907 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 998 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 975 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 968 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1039 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 893 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 934 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 991 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 918 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1075 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1037 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 973 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1000 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 906 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1041 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 977 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 982 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 917 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 994 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1169 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1303 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 881 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 918 Views

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