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I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
no his actions are a ridiculous atrocity and his rationale is that those bodies were merely husks. The bigger issue isn't 100% what he did to all those people, but what he almost did to the Pattern! He could have destroyed the world in his effort to kill off one woman...


So you think a person with absolutely no free will, a puppet who mindlessly obeys Graendal is alive. Let me ask you a question. If you had a choice between that kind of existence and death, what would you choose.

Maybe you would rather exist than die, even as a mindless zombie and thats why you think it was wrong. I however would rather die than suffer like that. If WoT world were real, and I would be one of those in the palace, I would thank Rand if I could. Read my comparison to the paralysed blind mute person in one of the messages above to understand this better.

As for balefire.

If what you say is true, then I agree with you. If Rand came close to unraveling the pattern, just to kill Graendal, then indeed you are right and it would have been a insanely stupid thing to do.

But I argue that thats not what happened. I argue that LTT, having been there when balefire was developed and used knows how much to use. I argue that LTT/Rand knows far better how much the pattern can take than anyone else. I argue that despite whatever subjective reaction Min may have had, Rand did NOT significantly damage the pattern. Read some of the earlier posts for my attempts to examine this particular issue, I will not bother repeating it for you.


Is in any way qualified to be the judge/jury/executioner of these poor souls. He took away any possible chance they may have had of ever being freed of her! Nynaeve thinks about this after he tricked her into unraveling Kerbs compulsion... it would be like a Judge deciding that a person must be pulled off life support without having a Dr. examine them first... simply because others who had the same injury could not be cured.

I find that repugnant!

Your argument is around what people who are currently incapable of choosing would choose... I say they would choose to be cured, or at least have the effort made to be cured before they were summarily executed for being mind controlled.

As for LTT and Balefire ... what makes you think LTT was in control at that point? Every other scene with BF and LTT we've had LTT talks about the dangers, even the Forsaken pretty much refuse to use it!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1940 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1406 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1348 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1387 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 1284 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM 1196 Views
Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1283 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM 1185 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 1170 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 1141 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM 1143 Views
I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 1110 Views
Re: I disagree - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 1136 Views
Re: I disagree - 07/01/2010 04:42:40 AM 1129 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1233 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 1157 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1244 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 1198 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1213 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 1142 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1217 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 1117 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1237 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1242 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1190 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1266 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 1082 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1269 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 605 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1145 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1143 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 1110 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 609 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 1085 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 605 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 1128 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 1062 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1227 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1198 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1179 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 1171 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1185 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1154 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1285 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 1111 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1260 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 1106 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1163 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1130 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1144 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1161 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 1098 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1177 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1139 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 1060 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1208 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1193 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1202 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 1100 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1158 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 1045 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 1069 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1250 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 1101 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 1077 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1180 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1147 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1138 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1205 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 1061 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 1108 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 1199 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 1090 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1256 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1206 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1134 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1194 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 1092 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1212 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1165 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1157 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 1110 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1161 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1349 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1470 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 1046 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 1092 Views

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