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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing Datakim Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM

Is in any way qualified to be the judge/jury/executioner of these poor souls. He took away any possible chance they may have had of ever being freed of her! Nynaeve thinks about this after he tricked her into unraveling Kerbs compulsion... it would be like a Judge deciding that a person must be pulled off life support without having a Dr. examine them first... simply because others who had the same injury could not be cured.

I find that repugnant!

Your argument is around what people who are currently incapable of choosing would choose... I say they would choose to be cured, or at least have the effort made to be cured before they were summarily executed for being mind controlled.


But LTT/Rand DID have experience. He did know. You say that it was like a judge deciding to pull someone from life support without having a doctor examine them first. A good argument.

But I would argue that this is not true. I think doctors DID examine the patients to see if there was hope of recovery before pulling the plug. A lot of doctors with more overall experience than Nynaeve.

I speak ofcourse of the restorers in the AoL. There is no way I will believe that the AoLers did not try to heal damage caused by Graendal. And yet LTT knows that no-one managed to do it in the AoL. He even quotes the name of one such unfortunate person.

So yes, I think Rand has pretty good reasons to think that there really was no hope for Graendals unfortunate victims, and that Nynaeves belief that they could be healed is wrong. Nynaeve cannot even bring back Rand's hand. How is she supposed to fix a BRAIN that has been utterly destroyed.

The fact that stilling was healed is irrelevant. Just because Nynaeve managed to do it (a remarkable feat to be sure), does not mean that she is better in every area of healing than AoL healers.

Let me ask you a question. What would you have done in Rand's place?



As for LTT and Balefire ... what makes you think LTT was in control at that point? Every other scene with BF and LTT we've had LTT talks about the dangers, even the Forsaken pretty much refuse to use it!


I was wrong about the balefire.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1898 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1336 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1298 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1335 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 1054 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1183 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 1107 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1194 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 1140 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1171 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 1099 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1165 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 1075 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1193 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1191 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1148 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1222 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 1039 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1223 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 578 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1096 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1097 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 1056 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 586 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 1037 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 578 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 1078 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 1020 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1180 Views
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Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1126 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 1118 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1133 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1110 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1234 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 1068 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1206 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 1052 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1111 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1087 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1102 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1116 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 1048 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1130 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1096 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 1012 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1164 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1139 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1153 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 1063 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1100 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 997 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 1025 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1203 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 1047 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 1031 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1122 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1096 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1085 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1162 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 1022 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 1061 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 1144 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 1045 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1214 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1158 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1093 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1135 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 1049 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1165 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1118 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1110 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 1048 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1119 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1304 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1421 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 998 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 1041 Views

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