OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
		RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
		
	
		
			
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I'm sorry but if you think Rand was in any threat going against any of the other Forsaken earlier in the series when he was at his weakest and least effective, than I don't know what to tell you.
He *almost* got sliced by Asmo's hair thin trap, but *luckily* he didn't
He *almost* was blown up by Asmo's exposive wards while chasing him, but *luckily* he conveniently threw up a superhard bubble of Air
He *almost* got his foot sliced off by his own closing Gateway while chasing Asmo, but *luckily* it only took off a bit of his heel
He *almost* died when Rahvin's trap triggered, but *luckily* it killed everyone around him but him
He *almost* got balefired himself, but *luckily* he wove it in the microsecond before it hit him and both canceled each other out
He *almost* got killed alongside Aviendha and Egwene while fighting the Shaido but *luckily* he didn't (and used a cushion of Air to save them all which we have never seen duplicated nor mentioned again in the series despite it's usefulness)
I'm sorry, but I have to do a ROFL ESPECIALLY when you say "How do you surprise someone who can't be surprised" when we have seen Graendal surprised by Sammael into remaining in their partnership and then bated into anger and almost standing and fighting Lanfear (BTW she would have been quite "surprised" if Sammael had done whatever he was going to do rather be interrupted).
I mean, I'm sorry, but the series is just not set up to really accept that he had no choices. So, as I said before, I understand that you are trying to defend his status of a mass murderer by implying that he had no choice, but he's actually been on quite a roll in the last few books wiping the floor with anyone who directly attacks him.
My point IS that a debate about whether Rand had a choice is meaningless because using Tel'Aran'Rhiod or his Talent for Travelling could have conceivably been used as a convenient plot point to drop him right on Graendal's head.
But that was not your question: Your question was "Did Rand become a psycho?" And my answer is, and remains, yes. Did he mass murder people and consider it a couple more times in the books? Yes. Did he have a choice as to how he confronted Graendal? Yes; but he didn't - because it wouldn't have fit the plot.
I mean, at this point in the story, he could have forced his t'a'veren powers to make Graendal have a stroke or Travel right to him, and it might have happened.
	I'm sorry but if you think Rand was in any threat going against any of the other Forsaken earlier in the series when he was at his weakest and least effective, than I don't know what to tell you.
He *almost* got sliced by Asmo's hair thin trap, but *luckily* he didn't
He *almost* was blown up by Asmo's exposive wards while chasing him, but *luckily* he conveniently threw up a superhard bubble of Air
He *almost* got his foot sliced off by his own closing Gateway while chasing Asmo, but *luckily* it only took off a bit of his heel
He *almost* died when Rahvin's trap triggered, but *luckily* it killed everyone around him but him
He *almost* got balefired himself, but *luckily* he wove it in the microsecond before it hit him and both canceled each other out
He *almost* got killed alongside Aviendha and Egwene while fighting the Shaido but *luckily* he didn't (and used a cushion of Air to save them all which we have never seen duplicated nor mentioned again in the series despite it's usefulness)
I'm sorry, but I have to do a ROFL ESPECIALLY when you say "How do you surprise someone who can't be surprised" when we have seen Graendal surprised by Sammael into remaining in their partnership and then bated into anger and almost standing and fighting Lanfear (BTW she would have been quite "surprised" if Sammael had done whatever he was going to do rather be interrupted).
I mean, I'm sorry, but the series is just not set up to really accept that he had no choices. So, as I said before, I understand that you are trying to defend his status of a mass murderer by implying that he had no choice, but he's actually been on quite a roll in the last few books wiping the floor with anyone who directly attacks him.
My point IS that a debate about whether Rand had a choice is meaningless because using Tel'Aran'Rhiod or his Talent for Travelling could have conceivably been used as a convenient plot point to drop him right on Graendal's head.
But that was not your question: Your question was "Did Rand become a psycho?" And my answer is, and remains, yes. Did he mass murder people and consider it a couple more times in the books? Yes. Did he have a choice as to how he confronted Graendal? Yes; but he didn't - because it wouldn't have fit the plot.
I mean, at this point in the story, he could have forced his t'a'veren powers to make Graendal have a stroke or Travel right to him, and it might have happened.
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		This message last edited by RugbyPlayingAshaman on 07/01/2010 at 10:41:33 PM
		
	
	
	
	
			Rand the psycho?
	    
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			I cannot follow your assumptions.
	    
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			Re: I cannot follow your assumptions.
	    
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			Wait!
	    
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			I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
	    
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	         - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM
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			Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
	    
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			Rand crossed a line
	    
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			Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
	    
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			No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM
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			But not in this turning of the Wheel.  So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
	    
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			No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
	    
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			LOL ... super-death!
	    
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			Yes it was.
	    
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			Re: Yes it was.
	    
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			Re: Yes it was.
	    
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			Re: Yes it was.
	    
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			let me ask the question in a different way
	    
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	         - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM
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			actually that quote supports my thoughts
	    
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			yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
	    
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			Re: yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
	    
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			Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
	    
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			Sigh. What mass murder?
	    
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			In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
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			Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
	    
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			OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
		
	         - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
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			Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
	    
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			Meh
	    
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			The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
	    
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			I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
	    
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			Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
	    
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			I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
	    
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			Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
	    
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			right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions  - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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			Nice way to avoid the argument.
	    
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			I'm just done talking in circles.  You seem to think that because people
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
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			I concede
	    
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			You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
	    
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			Morals are subjective anyhow,
	    
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			Re: Morals are subjective anyhow,
	    
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			I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
	    
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			You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
	    
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			Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
	    
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			Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive,  Operation Chaos Rules
	    
	         - 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
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			Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
	    
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