Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
"Here's another possibility I hadn't mentioned previously. Maybe even damage below the irreparable state causes severe trouble, like the time/space chaos we've observed in the later books. Things like rooms changing places or the Village in Shiota or Hinderstap."
I said something similar to this ine one of my replies. My argument went like this: There was a lot of damage to the Pattern done during the War of Power, this damage was lessened when balefire stopped being used en masse but it was not halted because the Dark One continued to touch the world. In the current Age, the Pattern may not have fully recovered from this past damage, especially given that the world is still reeling from the W.O.P. and The Breaking, so using balefire in such a way at all may be enough to cause a serious rupture in the Pattern.
I think the best way to envision the Age Lace would be to think of the Narrative Chart AesJedai posted in a separate thread (link is attached). Though the flow of the chart does not show specific character actions, you can chart each character's whereabouts during climactic parts of the War of the Ring. Given a sufficient familiarity with the Book, you can say that removing certain threads causes the entire tapestry of lines to fall apart, because during particular moments, the lives and wellbeings of others depended on the actions of that particular thread. Using WoT terminology, for example, if you balefired Arwen, who in the grand scheme of things had a relatively small part to play in the movie, from time/space before she rescued Frodo, Frodo would be dead, and the entire tapestry would fall into a new form after many fluctuations - the yellow-bordered green line may or may not survive the poisoned wound, or it may not make it to the Ring's Destruction. Given that we don't know the relative importance of each and every thread in the Pattern, nor what these threads were supposed to do in the future, you could cause a major rupture in the Pattern by the removal of many such "one note" players.
I said something similar to this ine one of my replies. My argument went like this: There was a lot of damage to the Pattern done during the War of Power, this damage was lessened when balefire stopped being used en masse but it was not halted because the Dark One continued to touch the world. In the current Age, the Pattern may not have fully recovered from this past damage, especially given that the world is still reeling from the W.O.P. and The Breaking, so using balefire in such a way at all may be enough to cause a serious rupture in the Pattern.
I think the best way to envision the Age Lace would be to think of the Narrative Chart AesJedai posted in a separate thread (link is attached). Though the flow of the chart does not show specific character actions, you can chart each character's whereabouts during climactic parts of the War of the Ring. Given a sufficient familiarity with the Book, you can say that removing certain threads causes the entire tapestry of lines to fall apart, because during particular moments, the lives and wellbeings of others depended on the actions of that particular thread. Using WoT terminology, for example, if you balefired Arwen, who in the grand scheme of things had a relatively small part to play in the movie, from time/space before she rescued Frodo, Frodo would be dead, and the entire tapestry would fall into a new form after many fluctuations - the yellow-bordered green line may or may not survive the poisoned wound, or it may not make it to the Ring's Destruction. Given that we don't know the relative importance of each and every thread in the Pattern, nor what these threads were supposed to do in the future, you could cause a major rupture in the Pattern by the removal of many such "one note" players.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
Rand the psycho?
- 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM
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I cannot follow your assumptions.
- 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM
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Re: I cannot follow your assumptions.
- 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM
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Wait!
- 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM
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Re: Wait!
- 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM
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Re: Wait!
- 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM
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Re: Wait!
- 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM
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- 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM
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- 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM
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- 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM
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Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
- 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
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Rand crossed a line
- 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
- 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM
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No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM
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But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
- 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM
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No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM
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LOL ... super-death!
- 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM
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Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM
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Re: Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM
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Re: Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM
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Re: Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM
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let me ask the question in a different way
- 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM
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- 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM
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actually that quote supports my thoughts
- 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM
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Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts
- 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM
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yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
- 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM
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Re: yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
- 07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM
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Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
- 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM
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Sigh. What mass murder?
- 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM
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In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM
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Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
- 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM
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OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
- 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
- 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM
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Meh
- 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM
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The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
- 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM
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Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
- 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM
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I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
- 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM
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Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
- 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM
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I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
- 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
- 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
- 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
- 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions
- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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Nice way to avoid the argument.
- 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM
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I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people
- 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
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I concede
- 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM
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You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
- 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM
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Morals are subjective anyhow,
- 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM
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Re: Morals are subjective anyhow,
- 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
- 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM
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You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
- 07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM
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Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
- 08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM
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Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules
- 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
- 07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM
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