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Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM
Supposing infinite turnings, when the world was created, it had to extend infinitely in both directions, so that it would have neither beginning nor end. That means that on the very first day of Shai'tan's imprisonment, the Wheel had already turned infinite cycles.

However, that does not give Shai'tan an infinite past of trying to escape the Pattern, because he is outside it.
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I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 735 Views
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Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 772 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 764 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 742 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 1281 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 792 Views
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I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 792 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 729 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 814 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 775 Views
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*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 350 Views
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Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 337 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 322 Views
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I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 941 Views
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