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Agreed. Joel Send a noteboard - 04/10/2011 04:44:49 PM
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father [Catholics add: and the Son]. With the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets.

Reformed churches add the "and the Son" bit as well. Suspect others might too, not certain though.

Pity that excellent encapsulation is the crux of the problem here, but then, as is so often the case with Niceas critics, I do not believe the Creed the problem.
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Those were the good old days. Nate - 04/10/2011 04:02:33 PM 728 Views
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I agree, it's driving me nuts *NM* ironclad - 04/10/2011 02:36:45 PM 618 Views
That's not quite right, actually. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:25:54 PM 647 Views
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I conceded your last point. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:14:28 PM 1053 Views
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thank you, both of you LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 01:46:05 PM 1124 Views
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The absolute best part about your post (plus the best thing about Mo's/LDS's) Jeordam - 03/10/2011 09:02:17 PM 1158 Views
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Though they can cause interesting changes in patterns. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:16:55 PM 1224 Views
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Re: I have to "Wow" as well... racist much? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 04:42:47 PM 1218 Views
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Sure, except ... Nate - 04/10/2011 04:50:53 PM 1189 Views
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Yeah, circular logic is fun, isn't it? Tom - 05/10/2011 01:09:25 AM 1112 Views
It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1204 Views
I think we've had this discussion before. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM 1202 Views
Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 1095 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1422 Views
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Monophysites, miaphysites, monothelites, etc. certainly accept the consubstantiality of God/Christ Larry - 07/10/2011 11:58:05 AM 1125 Views
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Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Joel - 08/10/2011 05:30:38 PM 1172 Views
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I was just saying there were competing views. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:49:26 PM 1556 Views
Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM 1073 Views
That sounds really nice. Vivien - 04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM 1171 Views
Why wait though? Joel - 05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM 1320 Views
So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM 600 Views
Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 1133 Views
I really want an answer from a mormon. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM 1170 Views
Good luck with that; just because I can see no explanation save that I offered does not preclude one Joel - 06/10/2011 07:03:50 AM 1069 Views
Yeah, that's what I thought. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM 1091 Views
I'm satisfied by that explanation. Vivien - 06/10/2011 08:51:15 PM 1336 Views
Re: I'm satisfied by that explanation. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:45:29 PM 1149 Views
Oh no you idn't... *waves finger and weaves head* everynametaken - 04/10/2011 03:53:07 AM 970 Views
....i don't know what you look like LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:54:56 AM 1093 Views
Shoot, my Mick Jagger strut is way better than my angry hispanic girl head/finger bob and weave. *NM* everynametaken - 05/10/2011 04:58:53 AM 726 Views
Took the words right out of my mouth, repeatedly. Joel - 04/10/2011 12:49:13 PM 1321 Views
Off-Topic Larry - 05/10/2011 01:14:16 AM 1081 Views
Hmm Tom - 05/10/2011 02:03:13 AM 1286 Views
True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 1085 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1190 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1276 Views
I like that analogy - an echo chamber! *NM* Tom - 08/10/2011 10:44:04 PM 651 Views
Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1299 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 1081 Views
The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1213 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 1152 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1256 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 1104 Views
Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? *NM* Dan - 04/10/2011 03:58:16 AM 726 Views
Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1218 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1145 Views
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