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OK, within the Mormon context I can see that point. Joel Send a noteboard - 05/10/2011 12:33:52 AM
Guess I was the one being hypersensitive this time; sorry, ladies. :<img class=' /> For what it is worth, there are plenty of female Church leaders in the Old and New Testament alike, Pauls rejection of it notwithstanding; Paul is not God. He explicitly makes that point himself prior to one of his admonitions; in some ways the OT canon is a lot more comfortable than the NT because, while one may not agree with that view of it, the OT is always very clear about what is considered divinely inspired (i.e. all of it.) With the NT it is often less clear when an author is speaking as an Apostle of God and when it is just Paul telling a protege to drink some occasional wine for his upset tummy (though I fail to see how that would HELP.)
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Nope. Gher - 04/10/2011 01:32:43 AM 1138 Views
there's no real point to it LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 02:37:24 AM 2168 Views
We could use an evil cackling smilie, we do have some other evil ones Isaac - 04/10/2011 02:49:12 AM 1108 Views
wasn't going to argue... *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 02:57:00 AM 644 Views
Do you ever giggle at the name "Moroni?" Ghavrel - 03/10/2011 11:39:55 AM 1218 Views
There are Mormon literalists? Seriously? *NM* Legolas - 03/10/2011 03:02:18 PM 647 Views
In fairness, I wonder the same about Christian literalists. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/10/2011 07:57:19 PM 716 Views
Yeah, but if you're gonna believe absurdities... Legolas - 03/10/2011 09:02:32 PM 1203 Views
Are you trying to suggest that "Reformed" or some other brand of scientology is plausible? Joel - 04/10/2011 04:28:40 PM 1158 Views
Actually, no. It'd be like laughing at... Hosea. Or Nemeiah. It's just an old name. Gher - 04/10/2011 12:30:57 AM 1115 Views
I know they don't have multiple wives anymore, so no misconception there ironclad - 03/10/2011 01:23:50 PM 1141 Views
There are Fundamentalist "Mormons" who do... Danu - 03/10/2011 11:32:56 PM 1039 Views
Don't get me wrong by the way, I've met wonderful Mormons ironclad - 04/10/2011 12:22:03 PM 1115 Views
Question: Why are you such a faggot? *NM* Urza - 03/10/2011 02:23:45 PM 552 Views
Answer: because it's the only way he could return your burning love for him. Nate - 03/10/2011 03:24:23 PM 783 Views
Oh dont be such a fuddy duddy. Urza - 03/10/2011 10:42:06 PM 776 Views
Better a faggot than a fuckwad. Cheers fuckwad! *NM* everynametaken - 04/10/2011 01:27:20 AM 666 Views
Well, I suppose you'ld be the one to know. *NM* Urza - 04/10/2011 01:54:35 AM 600 Views
Really? You really just pulled a "takes one to know one"? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 04/10/2011 04:19:22 PM 705 Views
Re: You embarrass yourself. *NM* Gaps - 04/10/2011 01:56:02 AM 557 Views
I'll tell you whats embarresing... Urza - 04/10/2011 02:08:02 AM 888 Views
That is hilarious. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:10:50 AM 783 Views
Goodness.. Urza - 04/10/2011 03:20:30 AM 710 Views
Re: Nate - 04/10/2011 03:28:25 AM 747 Views
You know, my mother had a saying. Urza - 04/10/2011 03:39:32 AM 783 Views
I think it's safe to say ... Nate - 04/10/2011 04:09:17 AM 686 Views
I'm not sure which would be sadder... Legolas - 04/10/2011 11:32:55 AM 823 Views
*NM* ironclad - 04/10/2011 12:19:01 PM 643 Views
Re: You flatter me. *NM* Gaps - 04/10/2011 01:31:01 PM 682 Views
OK, you need to delete the "Re:" You're using it incorrectly beetnemesis - 04/10/2011 01:55:53 PM 699 Views
"Re" doesn't have to mean "reply", it can also mean "regarding". Legolas - 04/10/2011 02:01:31 PM 718 Views
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you are still using it incorrectly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 02:09:48 PM 681 Views
He's doing it on purpose though. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:31:39 PM 808 Views
Re: Yeah, it's just a shtick... Gaps - 04/10/2011 03:47:17 PM 697 Views
Those were the good old days. Nate - 04/10/2011 04:02:33 PM 712 Views
*NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/10/2011 10:02:30 PM 624 Views
I agree, it's driving me nuts *NM* ironclad - 04/10/2011 02:36:45 PM 606 Views
That's not quite right, actually. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:25:54 PM 637 Views
Disagree. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/10/2011 10:04:09 PM 662 Views
Considering that "CaptainHammer" is LDS, I'd rather doubt he's gay. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2011 02:32:56 AM 672 Views
Re: Considering that "CaptainHammer" is LDS, I'd rather doubt he's gay. Urza - 04/10/2011 02:37:41 AM 706 Views
Heh. Oh, Ryan. Kronin al'Sulc - 04/10/2011 04:36:43 PM 810 Views
*sigh* to all of you above.... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:06:21 AM 720 Views
I thought that was "Do not talk about /b/"? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2011 03:12:52 AM 705 Views
i don't know, but if THAT is the first rule... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:41:20 AM 679 Views
Please explain why you think we should consider you Christians. Tom - 03/10/2011 04:33:06 PM 1300 Views
you know, that does make me wonder though LadyLorraine - 03/10/2011 04:58:21 PM 1191 Views
We're not as immovable as we are sometimes portrayed. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 05:27:17 PM 1159 Views
"Even Christ didn't do that"? I can't agree. Legolas - 03/10/2011 09:00:34 PM 1167 Views
I conceded your last point. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:14:28 PM 1043 Views
Point of Anal Retentive Dissent: Joel - 04/10/2011 03:54:00 PM 1082 Views
That concept is alien to the Christian theological understanding, however. Tom - 03/10/2011 10:18:55 PM 1167 Views
I understand what both you and Danny are saying LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 12:19:57 AM 1103 Views
Oh, that's very simple Tom - 04/10/2011 04:02:24 AM 1123 Views
I honestly don't know what it would take. Dannymac - 04/10/2011 07:41:55 AM 1116 Views
thank you, both of you LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 01:46:05 PM 1106 Views
I love the Nicene Creed. It is such an excellent encapsulation. Rebekah - 03/10/2011 06:07:53 PM 1193 Views
Agreed. Joel - 04/10/2011 04:44:49 PM 1074 Views
The absolute best part about your post (plus the best thing about Mo's/LDS's) Jeordam - 03/10/2011 09:02:17 PM 1146 Views
Glad you enjoyed it Tom - 03/10/2011 10:10:39 PM 1243 Views
Though they can cause interesting changes in patterns. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:16:55 PM 1206 Views
We believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind, and the only way back to God. Gher - 04/10/2011 01:29:30 AM 1237 Views
If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss. Tom - 04/10/2011 03:57:08 AM 1405 Views
I never said well-written, I said complex. Gher - 04/10/2011 07:04:24 AM 1278 Views
Ignore facts all you want to. Tom - 05/10/2011 01:07:35 AM 1167 Views
Re: If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss. CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 07:24:27 AM 1383 Views
Woah nelly. Ghavrel - 04/10/2011 10:04:33 AM 1166 Views
I have to "Wow" as well... racist much? LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 01:52:48 PM 1088 Views
Re: I have to "Wow" as well... racist much? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 04:42:47 PM 1192 Views
oh well that makes it all better... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:54:14 PM 1196 Views
Exactly ironclad - 04/10/2011 06:00:54 PM 1111 Views
Was the twin banging and the gay wedding the same event? Joel - 04/10/2011 06:36:03 PM 1188 Views
Yikes. Even for religion, that's more than a little crazy. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:47:56 PM 1178 Views
I don't think there's much of a difference in crazy as opposed to other more mainstream religions. Vivien - 04/10/2011 07:08:06 PM 1145 Views
A difference exists if only in continued unabashed affirmation of a rather distasteful doctrine. Joel - 04/10/2011 11:06:51 PM 1143 Views
Then why can't women be priests? Or enter the altar? The curse on Eve is very much in place. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:27:04 AM 613 Views
OK, within the Mormon context I can see that point. Joel - 05/10/2011 12:33:52 AM 1079 Views
They can in quite a few denominations. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 06:12:35 AM 657 Views
Whoops! You meant in LDS specifically. My mistake. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 06:14:05 AM 644 Views
Right now I am not making an absolute statement but a relative one. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:37:50 PM 930 Views
Yes, that is kind of the problem. Joel - 06/10/2011 12:13:27 AM 1105 Views
Oh, you didn't know? Joe Smith said black people are cursed for following Satan. Tom - 05/10/2011 01:10:35 AM 1127 Views
I guess this is a variation on Hams punishment; Ghav, at least should know better than to be shocked Joel - 04/10/2011 04:13:59 PM 1078 Views
it's not that we're surprised because it's "novel" LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:19:16 PM 1119 Views
It is not NECESSARILY racist. Joel - 04/10/2011 04:39:33 PM 1164 Views
Sure, except ... Nate - 04/10/2011 04:50:53 PM 1170 Views
Well, the funny thing is Christian doctrine presupposes everyone, along with their ancestors... Joel - 04/10/2011 06:31:13 PM 1066 Views
Yeah, circular logic is fun, isn't it? Tom - 05/10/2011 01:09:25 AM 1095 Views
It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1184 Views
I think we've had this discussion before. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM 1179 Views
Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 1074 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1404 Views
I had not realized it was that late, but used it only as an example of multitudinous controversies. Joel - 07/10/2011 01:03:56 AM 1514 Views
Monophysites, miaphysites, monothelites, etc. certainly accept the consubstantiality of God/Christ Larry - 07/10/2011 11:58:05 AM 1107 Views
Virtually everyone has a more sound Christology than Mormons. Tom - 07/10/2011 06:45:45 PM 1138 Views
Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Joel - 08/10/2011 05:30:38 PM 1154 Views
I can see that with the Monothelites (can see their appeal, in fact,) but not Monophysites. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:43:27 PM 1067 Views
Tempting as it is to prove Joel wrong (since he so frequently is), I need to take issue with this. Tom - 07/10/2011 06:59:13 PM 1145 Views
I was just saying there were competing views. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:49:26 PM 1533 Views
Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM 1043 Views
That sounds really nice. Vivien - 04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM 1144 Views
Why wait though? Joel - 05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM 1300 Views
So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM 593 Views
Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 1108 Views
I really want an answer from a mormon. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM 1144 Views
Good luck with that; just because I can see no explanation save that I offered does not preclude one Joel - 06/10/2011 07:03:50 AM 1037 Views
Yeah, that's what I thought. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM 1064 Views
I'm satisfied by that explanation. Vivien - 06/10/2011 08:51:15 PM 1309 Views
Re: I'm satisfied by that explanation. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:45:29 PM 1125 Views
Oh no you idn't... *waves finger and weaves head* everynametaken - 04/10/2011 03:53:07 AM 950 Views
....i don't know what you look like LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:54:56 AM 1079 Views
Shoot, my Mick Jagger strut is way better than my angry hispanic girl head/finger bob and weave. *NM* everynametaken - 05/10/2011 04:58:53 AM 720 Views
Took the words right out of my mouth, repeatedly. Joel - 04/10/2011 12:49:13 PM 1296 Views
Off-Topic Larry - 05/10/2011 01:14:16 AM 1062 Views
Hmm Tom - 05/10/2011 02:03:13 AM 1261 Views
True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 1061 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1156 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1259 Views
I like that analogy - an echo chamber! *NM* Tom - 08/10/2011 10:44:04 PM 638 Views
Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1289 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 1060 Views
The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1195 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 1133 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1236 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 1081 Views
Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? *NM* Dan - 04/10/2011 03:58:16 AM 718 Views
Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1197 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1124 Views
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