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I think we've had this discussion before. Gher Send a noteboard - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM
And nothing has changed. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to get into such a big argument when we both interpret things very differently.

But as for the Nicene Creed. I don't know very much about Christian history from the time after the New Testament. But I do know that much of the Nicene Creed was not commonly accepted for the ~300 years leading up to it. There were competing views, and some did not believe in the Trinity. Not just the Gnostics and other religions you mentioned, but Christians. So yes, a non-Nicene Christian is possible. My memory is fuzzy, but it seems like it Athanasian Christianity vs Something. IIRC, Athanasians believed the Trinity, the others believed in 3 distinct personages. I'm just trying to get the names across so you know what I mean, I'm sure you've studied it.
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Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 1131 Views
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