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I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
Jordan provides an entertaining read, most of the time. His world is detailed and thickly populated. He has interesting ideas. The villains are properly creepy; the heroes are properly heroic. So if your metric is the "summer read" metric, then Jordan is just fine as an author.

But Jordan's writing is lacking in several areas. There's no thematic content to speak of; Rand's temptation in later books is about as allegorical as WoT gets. There's no real message contained within the series--nothing that makes you actually examine something of significance, nothing that makes you sit back and think (besides convoluted theories about what will happen next; I'm not talking about suspense). And the prose itself is nothing special.

Contrast this with Gene Wolfe's BOOK OF THE NEW SUN series, an incredible work that forces to reader to wonder what the self means, what memory means, and how we confront ourselves and our memories. In his words,

"By the use of the language of sorrow I had for the time being obliterated my sorrow - so powerful is the charm of words, which for us reduces to manageable entities all the passions that would otherwise madden and destroy us."

and

"It is said that it is the peculiar quality of time to conserve fact, and that it does so by rendering our past falsehoods true."

I doubt you could find equally meaningful sentences in the entire corpus of Jordan, to be frank. And I just snatched those out of the Quote of the Moment.

And that is only talking about science fiction and fantasy. There is a vast world of literature out there, a world populated by figures like Keats, Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, Eco, Vergil, Chaucer, Faulkner, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Nabokov, Camus, Kafka... the list is endless. It's not even a fair comparison in these cases, of course; these are the true greats of writing.

But it does mean that Jordan, as authors go, is not a particularly good author.

We have a Books board here where people discuss authors who they think are particularly good; why don't you check it out if you're interested in expanding your horizons?
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3464 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1895 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1569 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1384 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1468 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1265 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 941 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1888 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1584 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1589 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1943 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1634 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1764 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1425 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1501 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 894 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2378 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1542 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1531 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1806 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1710 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 841 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1678 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1336 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1496 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1450 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1394 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1701 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1321 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1346 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1624 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1454 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1426 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1559 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1428 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 923 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1494 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1358 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1361 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1318 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1363 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1331 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1417 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1478 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1414 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 909 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1315 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1207 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1419 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1509 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1400 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1545 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1432 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1463 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1527 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1417 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 847 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1256 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 830 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1327 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 863 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1427 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1560 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 765 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 793 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 912 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1399 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1456 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1355 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1596 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1314 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1506 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1335 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1339 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1455 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 814 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1272 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1445 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1497 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1324 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1319 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1603 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1511 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1503 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1365 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1209 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1463 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1263 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1503 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1641 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1449 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1598 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1539 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1542 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1665 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 938 Views

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