I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to.
Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
Jordan provides an entertaining read, most of the time. His world is detailed and thickly populated. He has interesting ideas. The villains are properly creepy; the heroes are properly heroic. So if your metric is the "summer read" metric, then Jordan is just fine as an author.
But Jordan's writing is lacking in several areas. There's no thematic content to speak of; Rand's temptation in later books is about as allegorical as WoT gets. There's no real message contained within the series--nothing that makes you actually examine something of significance, nothing that makes you sit back and think (besides convoluted theories about what will happen next; I'm not talking about suspense). And the prose itself is nothing special.
Contrast this with Gene Wolfe's BOOK OF THE NEW SUN series, an incredible work that forces to reader to wonder what the self means, what memory means, and how we confront ourselves and our memories. In his words,
"By the use of the language of sorrow I had for the time being obliterated my sorrow - so powerful is the charm of words, which for us reduces to manageable entities all the passions that would otherwise madden and destroy us."
and
"It is said that it is the peculiar quality of time to conserve fact, and that it does so by rendering our past falsehoods true."
I doubt you could find equally meaningful sentences in the entire corpus of Jordan, to be frank. And I just snatched those out of the Quote of the Moment.
And that is only talking about science fiction and fantasy. There is a vast world of literature out there, a world populated by figures like Keats, Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, Eco, Vergil, Chaucer, Faulkner, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Nabokov, Camus, Kafka... the list is endless. It's not even a fair comparison in these cases, of course; these are the true greats of writing.
But it does mean that Jordan, as authors go, is not a particularly good author.
We have a Books board here where people discuss authors who they think are particularly good; why don't you check it out if you're interested in expanding your horizons?
But Jordan's writing is lacking in several areas. There's no thematic content to speak of; Rand's temptation in later books is about as allegorical as WoT gets. There's no real message contained within the series--nothing that makes you actually examine something of significance, nothing that makes you sit back and think (besides convoluted theories about what will happen next; I'm not talking about suspense). And the prose itself is nothing special.
Contrast this with Gene Wolfe's BOOK OF THE NEW SUN series, an incredible work that forces to reader to wonder what the self means, what memory means, and how we confront ourselves and our memories. In his words,
"By the use of the language of sorrow I had for the time being obliterated my sorrow - so powerful is the charm of words, which for us reduces to manageable entities all the passions that would otherwise madden and destroy us."
and
"It is said that it is the peculiar quality of time to conserve fact, and that it does so by rendering our past falsehoods true."
I doubt you could find equally meaningful sentences in the entire corpus of Jordan, to be frank. And I just snatched those out of the Quote of the Moment.
And that is only talking about science fiction and fantasy. There is a vast world of literature out there, a world populated by figures like Keats, Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, Eco, Vergil, Chaucer, Faulkner, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Nabokov, Camus, Kafka... the list is endless. It's not even a fair comparison in these cases, of course; these are the true greats of writing.
But it does mean that Jordan, as authors go, is not a particularly good author.
We have a Books board here where people discuss authors who they think are particularly good; why don't you check it out if you're interested in expanding your horizons?
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This message last edited by Ghavrel on 22/02/2011 at 07:31:46 AM
Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer?
- 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM
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I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer.
- 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM
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Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured
- 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM
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What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors?
- 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM
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Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors?
- 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM
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For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence.
- 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM
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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM*
- 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM
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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence.
- 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM
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That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen.
- 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM
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I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to.
- 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
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- 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
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Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to.
- 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM
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- 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM
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That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler.
- 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM
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Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a
- 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ...
- 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM
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Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer?
- 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM
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I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited.
- 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM
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That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks
- 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM
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Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks
- 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM
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adam roberts reviews
- 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM
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And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM*
- 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM
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Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking
- 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM
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I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak.
- 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM
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Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak.
- 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM
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The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know.
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- 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM
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*NM*
- 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM
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There are nine, actually...
- 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM
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Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM*
- 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM
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Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM*
- 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM
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I hope I am misunderstanding you.
- 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM
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Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you.
- 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM
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If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book
- 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM
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Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book
- 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM
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So wait, style is good?
- 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM
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That depends...
- 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM
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I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria.
- 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM
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the "do you like it" is the most important criterion
- 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM
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If you don't mind me asking...
- 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM
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I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature.
- 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM
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Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature.
- 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM
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I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service.
- 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM
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Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service.
- 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM
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...
- 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM
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It is not a serious question.
- 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM
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Is that so?
- 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM
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I'm not fixated with Jordan.
- 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM
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Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him?
- 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM
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You're conflating two things.
- 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM
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All right, now we're getting somewhere.
- 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM
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Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity.
- 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM
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Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM*
- 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM
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No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered.
- 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM
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Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
- 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM
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Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
- 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM
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I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you.
- 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM
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Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic"
- 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM
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Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
- 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM
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Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly
- 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM
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Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics?
- 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM
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Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics?
- 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM
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Of course people read for pleasure.
- 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM
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Ok...
- 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM
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"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument.
- 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM
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I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"?
- 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM
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Among living writers?
- 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM
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My list would be similar...
- 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM
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That was a very good list.
- 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM
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Re: That was a very good list.
- 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM
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Oh, and another question
- 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM
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Re: Oh, and another question
- 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM
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I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
- 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM
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He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM*
- 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM
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