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That depends... DomA Send a noteboard - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM
You're taking the view that aesthetics is the primary criteria to determine if a book is good or not. That's certainly valid, and that's certainly a major factor when determining the cultural value of a book, but that's more for me a way to separate great, culturally meaningful literature from literature at large.

Anyone who would try to claim Robert Jordan has achieved with WOT a work of great cultural importance, a future classic, really needs to read more.

But as far as I'm concerned, the aesthetic insignificance of Jordan's work doesn't make him a bad writer, not just part of the great and outstanding ones. He was still in many ways a good craftsman, with some obvious weaknesses (unlike Dan Brown or S. Meyers, for instance) - and a better storyteller, forums like this being a testimony to his power in that respect. The form of WOT certainly leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically, but on the whole it remains a good and fairly well told story, despite being terribly conventional writing-wise, and despite structural problems that tells less about Jordan's skills than about his wisdom of writing something so long, knowing each book would be published and after that there was no time machine to go back and fix what seemed good ideas at the time but proved problematic two-three books later. He's not Flaubert, and certainly not Nabokov. He's more like a modern Dumas.

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3433 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1853 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1515 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1345 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1426 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1214 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 908 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1847 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1547 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1509 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1895 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1579 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1701 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1388 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1449 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 875 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2314 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1486 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1492 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1743 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1656 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 809 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1635 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1305 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1459 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1426 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1332 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1659 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1282 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1300 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1579 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1416 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1394 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1522 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1378 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 887 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1458 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1294 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1327 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1257 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1318 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1269 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1384 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1438 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1364 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 883 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1274 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1150 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1352 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1447 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1363 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1467 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1386 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1422 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1466 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1365 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 815 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1198 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 813 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1272 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 845 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1362 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1497 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 736 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 761 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 882 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1345 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1390 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1315 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1522 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1270 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1474 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1276 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1290 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1402 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 777 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1225 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1388 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1438 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1286 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1260 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1553 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1442 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1449 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1286 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1177 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1402 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1219 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1444 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1596 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1396 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1562 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1487 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1502 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1611 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 902 Views

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