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If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM
Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta.

She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita.


...how are these words supposed to 'paint beautiful pictures'?
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3434 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1860 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1519 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1347 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1427 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1222 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 911 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1851 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1552 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1015 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1298 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1521 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1414 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1901 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1583 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1705 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1391 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1543 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1415 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1426 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1451 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 876 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2319 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1489 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1498 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1756 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1517 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1473 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1540 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 870 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1360 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1751 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1661 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 811 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1642 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 882 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 889 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1310 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1462 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1429 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1335 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1667 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1285 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1305 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1586 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1459 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1421 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1396 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1526 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1383 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 892 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1461 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1301 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1332 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1264 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1321 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1277 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1387 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1443 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1370 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 884 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1278 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1153 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1358 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1453 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1364 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1473 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1390 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1428 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1470 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1369 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 818 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1202 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 815 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1277 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 847 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1366 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1503 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1867 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1251 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1256 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1263 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 740 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 763 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 885 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1350 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1394 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1318 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1530 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1277 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1477 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1281 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1294 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1410 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 779 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1229 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1392 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1442 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1289 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1265 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1556 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1449 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1454 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1292 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1181 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1410 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1220 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1453 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1600 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1398 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1569 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1491 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1507 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1613 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1381 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 905 Views
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