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I like it - especially the points Egwene delivered. As I said before, it took a long time in going but I think RJ really didn't have much for Egwene to do until the latter part of the books - unfortunate for his overall pacing, though it may be. She is the only character I think RJ developed as an adult with very little immaturity in between, so her POV sounded very crisp and fully realized.

It was funny that Katerine's face paled - considering she is Black Ajah. Perhaps she was paling thinking of a future victory?

"What's more important? The White Tower or (her) pride?" I believe out of the main cast, only Elayne has had a similar event, and I think it shows the relative difference in emotional range RJ invested the characters with. I think it is because she is one of the characters he cared about the most. Especially the description of her emotions when confronting Elaida. She shows legitimate growth here and I can't really say the same for all of the protagonists.

Elaida's descent really comes as a drop into hell, here. She really does personify the most direct threat against the White Tower ever personified. But it is very believable, and consistent with her latest experiences.

I think Egwene grows leaps and bounds; I'm not sure how RJ would have written the scene, though. It was really well written and it was almost a mirror image of what happened to Moiraine so many books ago.

I do wonder how long it is until the military of the various nations are unable to take part in Tarmon Gaidon due to the lack of edible food.

This chapter really illustrates that the Battle for the (3rd Age) Hall of Servants has gained in importance...the White Tower, even broken, is the most united of all of the various leaderships, and the stakes really have escalated to the point where her struggle is a mirror image to Rand's on a more concentrated scale.

She really learned to drink in the pain, because her pain at swallowing her bitterness made a mere strapping seem ridiculous. It's not about claiming privileges for Aes Sedai, but about respecting other people.

This also showed that she learned exactly what she needed to from the Aiel Wise Ones.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7613 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2330 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1284 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2187 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1127 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1189 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1832 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1772 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1677 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2313 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2415 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1045 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1210 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1103 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1868 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1953 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1912 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 2009 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2010 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2037 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1973 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1890 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1868 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2077 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1988 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1893 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1856 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1936 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1881 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1867 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1955 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2020 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2021 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1879 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1874 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1776 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1792 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1812 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1808 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1613 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1963 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1705 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1771 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1850 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2566 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1967 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1904 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2051 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1429 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1934 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1861 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1759 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1092 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1932 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1709 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1841 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1900 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1955 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2033 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1883 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1952 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2020 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1683 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1782 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1746 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1875 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1659 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1876 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1963 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1040 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1844 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2030 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1640 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1994 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1740 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1872 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1640 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1801 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1823 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1853 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1765 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2030 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1260 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1916 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2090 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1876 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1770 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1949 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1730 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1899 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1856 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2109 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2046 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1934 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1689 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1841 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1797 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1017 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1972 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1918 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1833 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1900 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1098 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1746 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1694 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1838 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1830 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1891 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1904 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1840 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1625 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1723 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1709 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1932 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1701 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1768 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1834 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1845 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1811 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1690 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1818 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1851 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1708 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1115 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1616 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1753 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1796 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1775 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1742 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1656 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1737 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1816 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2063 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1902 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1733 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1062 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1755 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1780 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1053 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1870 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1793 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1969 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1928 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1764 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1099 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1138 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1681 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1814 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1794 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1813 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1818 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1949 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1851 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1654 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1762 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1894 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1885 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1550 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1988 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1834 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1644 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1783 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1775 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1830 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1853 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1688 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1747 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1849 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1074 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1758 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1710 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1752 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2028 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1772 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1718 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1735 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1055 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1656 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1763 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1581 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1835 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1585 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1740 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1771 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1813 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1819 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1642 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1770 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1765 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1820 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1731 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1751 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2097 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1019 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1915 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1554 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1793 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1679 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1642 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1029 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1933 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1873 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1976 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1778 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1163 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1837 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1879 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1090 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1664 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1619 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1878 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1779 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1752 Views

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