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I think... Etzel Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM

This should be the real Emond's Field war... Egwene is going to go nuclear when she sees that the Prince of the Ravens who is trying to destroy her Tower is Mat.

I think it's time to move past Egwene vs Rand, and start worrying about Egwene vs Mat.


That Rand will actually support the Seanchan's attack of the WT, after they make their alliance. He will beleive that he has to liberate the WT from the Shadow and free Egwene, because IMO he will eventually learn from Semirhage that Mesaana & the BA basically rule the WT and that Egwene is a prisoner there. Normally Rand should also already know from Narishma that Aran'gar (the female Forsaken who channeled saidin at the Cleansing) lived among the Rebels and probably manipulated them as well.

This explains how the Seanchan will know about Egwene beforehand as the Dreams indicate, and why Egwene will be angry about Rand, when she faces him the next time.

Mat is Prince of the Ravens, but most likely won't be involved in the Seanchan attack, because he has to rescue Moiraine.
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That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2148 Views
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Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2168 Views
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Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2242 Views
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2085 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2215 Views
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Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2284 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2144 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2256 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2267 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2281 Views
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Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1268 Views
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